The page says "Tommy People's" but it's vague, haven't found any three parts Gm tune from Tommy People's, but then, it does not mean he composed it... doesn't actually mean anything. I tried searching tunes BD and The Reverend ABC search and can't find it even with transposing, but then, maybe they're not playing the standard version of the tune in the clip...
I remember trying to find this tune here a while ago and didn't get any hits cause the abc has gaps in that shouldn't be there. You're best just to google the abc - that'll get it 90% of the time.
Yes but quicker than transcribing a section of their playing to search with is just to play the tune whole into the computer and then click search. The computer can then search based on their own playing.
I am amazed at how accurate Bryan's program is. A truly nifty bit of technology.
It also doesn't help that the sheetmusic on the site here lists the tune with one sharp rather than one flat. I presume the tune must have originally been submitted as G major, converted and then changed to G dorian.
Wow guys thanks, I'm impressed! Also, thanks for the new tool, it will go in my bookmark and will test it at some point? It analyses a sound file and looks for the tune online? Unbelievable.
I must be getting old, everytime I think I got a hang of ABC search technologies, there's something new! I can't keep up.
Just out of curiosity, could you show me the ABC that you used to search for it on my site? I'm always trying to make it better, and I'm curious why it didn't show up...
I think I need to get rid of the fact that it only shows you the top hits, and then makes you press the "Show More Results" button. Because the matching tune is often "below the fold", so to speak, if the match confidence is below 70% (which is common enough when searching on self-transcribed ABC).
Ahhh, your problem is that my search pays attention to octaves (upper/lower case letters). So your transcription was fine, but it didn't find it because you were searching in the wrong octave most of the time.
If you search with
d2cAGFDFG2cGdGcG
It finds it 100% match.
That's one reason why Google may find things for you, because it ignores case. But it is also looking for specific words, whereas, my search is looking for pattern matches, and it is just ranking it on how many notes are different.
And for future reference with my search, you don't need to worry about the difference between d2 and dd, because my search "normalizes" the ABC, and converts d2 to dd anyway...
Ah! I assumed casing would not be taken into account on all of my searches, I did not know yours was "octave" sensitive... well yeah then, it makes a big difference
Maybe in a future version, if you had the option to search with or without octave? Could help on tunes you learned on flute or whiste and find out later the original version has lower notes. But just having the option would help dummy users realize they need to be aware of octaves in the search and it's not like Google for example.
typed in "The Glasgow" with & w/out commas for lower notes.
100% with abcs as they appear in thesession tunes.
63% without (commas) A2DA FADA|B2DB FBDB|C2EC GCEC|FEDC ADDC|
Live & learn.
I guess I might consider doing an "octaveless" search - hadn't ever really thought about it. It would get kind of messed up with the way that I do the "contour search", for looking in different keys, but it wouldn't be hard to implement for the standard search.
I just sorta figured that a note in a different octave is a different note, so it should be taken into consideration when doing the pattern match rating.
And don't you folks ever read the instructions?
(Live and learn for me too, I guess. Thanks for the feedback!)
Actually, the beauty of your interface is that it's simple, so adding stuff like this might cripple it a bit. Maybe just a small message reminder (for dummy users like me) close to the search box, that the ABC needs to be octave sensitive would suffice...
The beauty of regular expressions, eh? I do PHP/MySQL for a living and I couldn't live without them.
Can anyone name this tune?
Can anyone name this tune?
I've been looking for information on the second tune in that set:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8oBSOQhOoE
The page says "Tommy People's" but it's vague, haven't found any three parts Gm tune from Tommy People's, but then, it does not mean he composed it... doesn't actually mean anything. I tried searching tunes BD and The Reverend ABC search and can't find it even with transposing, but then, maybe they're not playing the standard version of the tune in the clip...
That's a tough one, any help appreciated.
# Posted on August 9th 2009 by Azalin
Re: Can anyone name this tune?
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/4475
# Posted on August 9th 2009 by Dr. Dow
Re: Can anyone name this tune?
Damn it dow! You just beat me to it! Can you go a little slower in future?
# Posted on August 9th 2009 by No Cause For Alarm
Re: Can anyone name this tune?
No, I HAVE to be first
# Posted on August 9th 2009 by Dr. Dow
Re: Can anyone name this tune?
BTW I found it using Bryan Duggan's excellent www.tunepal.org.
It was the first match!
# Posted on August 9th 2009 by No Cause For Alarm
Re: Can anyone name this tune?
I remember trying to find this tune here a while ago and didn't get any hits cause the abc has gaps in that shouldn't be there. You're best just to google the abc - that'll get it 90% of the time.
# Posted on August 9th 2009 by Dr. Dow
Re: Can anyone name this tune?
Yes but quicker than transcribing a section of their playing to search with is just to play the tune whole into the computer and then click search. The computer can then search based on their own playing.
I am amazed at how accurate Bryan's program is. A truly nifty bit of technology.
# Posted on August 9th 2009 by No Cause For Alarm
Re: Can anyone name this tune?
It also doesn't help that the sheetmusic on the site here lists the tune with one sharp rather than one flat. I presume the tune must have originally been submitted as G major, converted and then changed to G dorian.
# Posted on August 9th 2009 by No Cause For Alarm
Re: Can anyone name this tune?
Wow guys thanks, I'm impressed! Also, thanks for the new tool, it will go in my bookmark and will test it at some point? It analyses a sound file and looks for the tune online? Unbelievable.
I must be getting old, everytime I think I got a hang of ABC search technologies, there's something new! I can't keep up.
# Posted on August 9th 2009 by Azalin
Re: Can anyone name this tune?
If you are after the name of a tune you play yourself play it into the computer and tunepal.org should be able to find the title for you.
# Posted on August 9th 2009 by No Cause For Alarm
Re: Can anyone name this tune?
Very nifty. I'll have some fun with this.....
# Posted on August 9th 2009 by John J.
Re: Can anyone name this tune?
Just out of curiosity, could you show me the ABC that you used to search for it on my site? I'm always trying to make it better, and I'm curious why it didn't show up...
I think I need to get rid of the fact that it only shows you the top hits, and then makes you press the "Show More Results" button. Because the matching tune is often "below the fold", so to speak, if the match confidence is below 70% (which is common enough when searching on self-transcribed ABC).
# Posted on August 9th 2009 by Reverend
Re: Can anyone name this tune?
if you're feeling really adventurous, you could try humming it !
# Posted on August 9th 2009 by cStu
Re: Can anyone name this tune?
reply to
>If you are after the name of a tune you play yourself play it into the computer and tunepal.org should be able to find the title for you.
# Posted on August 9th 2009 by cStu
Re: Can anyone name this tune?
"if you're feeling adventurous, you could try humming it !"
Yeah, er just did that - didn't work at all. In fact listening back to the transcriptions it was astounding how far out it (or I) was.
I guess I couldn't become a professional lilter!
# Posted on August 9th 2009 by No Cause For Alarm
Re: Can anyone name this tune?
Mr Reverend,
I'm really bad with ABC but I used the following (based on the clip I posted):
dccagfdfg2cgdgcg
AND I used
d2cagfdfg2cgdgcg
It will find The Catterthun at 68%.
Now, looking at the ABC on this site, it seems both versions are not identical, no wonder it didn't find it...
# Posted on August 9th 2009 by Azalin
Re: Can anyone name this tune?
Ahhh, your problem is that my search pays attention to octaves (upper/lower case letters). So your transcription was fine, but it didn't find it because you were searching in the wrong octave most of the time.
If you search with
d2cAGFDFG2cGdGcG
It finds it 100% match.
That's one reason why Google may find things for you, because it ignores case. But it is also looking for specific words, whereas, my search is looking for pattern matches, and it is just ranking it on how many notes are different.
And for future reference with my search, you don't need to worry about the difference between d2 and dd, because my search "normalizes" the ABC, and converts d2 to dd anyway...
# Posted on August 9th 2009 by Reverend
Re: Can anyone name this tune?
Ah! I assumed casing would not be taken into account on all of my searches, I did not know yours was "octave" sensitive... well yeah then, it makes a big difference
Maybe in a future version, if you had the option to search with or without octave? Could help on tunes you learned on flute or whiste and find out later the original version has lower notes. But just having the option would help dummy users realize they need to be aware of octaves in the search and it's not like Google for example.
# Posted on August 9th 2009 by Azalin
Re: Can anyone name this tune?
Ah and great tool by the way, I use it a lot to find stuff and it works pretty well.
# Posted on August 9th 2009 by Azalin
Re: Can anyone name this tune?
Did not know octave was taken into consideration.
Does that hold true for commas & apostrophes.
# Posted on August 9th 2009 by Ben Steen
I tried a sample Pete
typed in "The Glasgow" with & w/out commas for lower notes.
100% with abcs as they appear in thesession tunes.
63% without (commas) A2DA FADA|B2DB FBDB|C2EC GCEC|FEDC ADDC|
Live & learn.
# Posted on August 9th 2009 by Ben Steen
Re: Can anyone name this tune?
I guess I might consider doing an "octaveless" search - hadn't ever really thought about it. It would get kind of messed up with the way that I do the "contour search", for looking in different keys, but it wouldn't be hard to implement for the standard search.
I just sorta figured that a note in a different octave is a different note, so it should be taken into consideration when doing the pattern match rating.
And don't you folks ever read the instructions?
(Live and learn for me too, I guess. Thanks for the feedback!)
# Posted on August 10th 2009 by Reverend
Re: Can anyone name this tune?
Actually, the beauty of your interface is that it's simple, so adding stuff like this might cripple it a bit. Maybe just a small message reminder (for dummy users like me) close to the search box, that the ABC needs to be octave sensitive would suffice...
The beauty of regular expressions, eh? I do PHP/MySQL for a living and I couldn't live without them.
# Posted on August 10th 2009 by Azalin
Re: Can anyone name this tune?
OK, I put a reminder in there that it's case sensitive. (Although, sometimes it's tough to get your browser to reload the Flash).
If you're interested, my search uses a modified Levenshtein distance formula in PHP to search the ABC.
# Posted on August 10th 2009 by Reverend