I recently sat in on a fantastic session in Ballycastle. My mobile phone can record files but I thought it would seem rude to sit with my phone stickin out. Are most sessions used to this these days do you think ?
...what llig said. I can't imagine anyone having a problem with it - around here, lots of folks bring unobtrusive recording gear. I would, too, but a Zoom or something like that simply isn't in the budget right now...and my old Marantz with an external microphone wall-wart power seems a bit clunky.
I know of one group of musicians who, when a recording TV crew arrived into the pub to record them at a Fleadh Ceol a couple of years ago, packed in and wouldn't play. I don't get it. If someone thinks I'm good enough to record me...be my guest.
"a recording TV crew arrived into the pub"
This, of course, is very different from someone unobtrusively making a recording for learning purposes.
If one examines the various copyright laws, usually the intent goes something like this: "personal and private use is OK, use for public performance or financial gain is not OK"
(The laws and attitudes towards sex are often similar).
Of course, it is possible for an innocuous-looking recording process to end up being exploited, and there are instances of professional recording which are respectfully done and beneficial to the subject.
And yes; what llig said.
I know that I'll be in the minority here, but people managed to learn tunes before recording equipment was available, so you ought to be able to do the same.
However - if you ask in advance - and everyone at the session agrees - I guess that it's OK. But in my experience, people rarely ask.
i also think that any form of video recording is particularly intrusive. If you must do it, stick to audio recording.
What about if someone records youwithout your permission when you're p!shed and a pretty well all over the place, then subsequently puts it up on You Tube?
I was recorded on the fly at a house session in Edinburgh 9 or 10 years ago and have to say I didn't find it too troubling when I found out. In fact I'd like a copy. But it would bother me now.
I know session recording go's on without permission but as said all you have to do is ask, no need for the spy routine. Having said that your not welcome when it comes to recording me.
I am using my digital camera to record sessions. This is because it records sound better than anything else I have at my disposal. I'm only interested in the group sound for the purpose of identifying and learning the tunes (not individual performances). I figured it would be less irritating than asking "What was that?" at the end of every set. I place the camera on the table of drinks and have some very nice visuals of bouncing pints. Knees too. I'll turn it off if anyone objects. Is this ok?
When I have recorded sessions, its the conversations between tunes that I would have thought would bother people more that the tunes. Things that were not necessarily shared with all in the room. They are the bits I really don't think I should keep and I edit them out and delete the original as soon as I upload them. But turning the thing on and off seems intrusive somehow.
yeah isn't it amazing what a microphone will pick up! After a while it kind of becomes part of the scenery and everyone forgets its there. Especially after a few drinks taken! I've got some pretty incriminating stuff from a few sessions Cork 2000 and something.!
I have put lots of session clips up on YouTube. I only record the playing, not the conversation, and nobody has ever objected to it, not once.
What's the harm in it? After all, people in the pub can see you play--why not let other people around the world (including some of my fellow sesh.org members) share in the fun?
I agree that recording between tunes can be intrusive. You think you're having a nice easy chat, only to find someone recorded it, having forgotten to hit "stop" after your scratchy rendition of "Jerusalem Ridge."
That's why I'm taking it one step further and posting my offense on the web. I mean, here's a clip from last year in which I left my recorder on, and caught Will CPT actually refusing to pay his bar tab!!! (all the more embarassing with my crappy playing ruining his swing)
I once set up my minidisc recorder on our table. I hit the pause button every time we stopped playing. But I 'd got off on the wrong foot, and, when I got home, I discovered I'd recorded every snatch of conversation and not one single bloody tune in four hours.
Well, as best as I can hear (the recording quality sucks--who was running that thing anyway?), the waiter owed Mr. CPT money for drinking the pub's beer. He's such a mighty player, they pay him to endorse their taps, I guess. Must be nice.
Hey, maybe CPT gives lessons! Do you think he'd teach me how to play like that?
Your problem is that it's only a two-step process for me to demonstrate that:
1) Mr. CPT "endorses" a pig's ass, and
2) CPT is really the alter-ego of will harmon, who changed his name to Cheshire Puddy Tat to disassociate himself with arguments he was having on an internet site, and who then decided to once again use his real name.
A recorder is the most powerful way to make sense out of the wall of
tunes that Llig described poetically in another thread. This wall
intimidated the h e l l out me at the first few sessions I listened to. I couldn't
make much sense out of it until I started playing back recordings and
picking tunes out of it.
When I first began learning to back ITM, I was lucky enough to be a regular visitor at a session with some top- notch players. I was equally lucky that they were often unaccompanied ( & when they were, it was ACE bouzouki man, Michael Shorrock- R.I.P.). With the help of my trusty stereo recording Sony Walkman, I was indeed able to "make sense out of the wall of tunes", & began to take my first steps toward truly understanding how this music is put together, and then how to accompany it properly. No objection was ever made to recording these sessions, and I still go through those tapes regularly to find tunes (or inspiration!)
recording at sessions
recording at sessions
I recently sat in on a fantastic session in Ballycastle. My mobile phone can record files but I thought it would seem rude to sit with my phone stickin out. Are most sessions used to this these days do you think ?
# Posted on April 24th 2009 by richrua
Re: recording at sessions
All you have to do is ask
# Posted on April 24th 2009 by llig leahcim
Re: recording at sessions
...what llig said. I can't imagine anyone having a problem with it - around here, lots of folks bring unobtrusive recording gear. I would, too, but a Zoom or something like that simply isn't in the budget right now...and my old Marantz with an external microphone wall-wart power seems a bit clunky.
# Posted on April 24th 2009 by tomw
Re: recording at sessions
I know of one group of musicians who, when a recording TV crew arrived into the pub to record them at a Fleadh Ceol a couple of years ago, packed in and wouldn't play. I don't get it. If someone thinks I'm good enough to record me...be my guest.
# Posted on April 24th 2009 by Free Reed
Re: recording at sessions
this is the proper way to learn tunes and also to compare the many versions of the tunes
# Posted on April 24th 2009 by trad man
Re: recording at sessions
This time, I agree with llig leahcim.
# Posted on April 24th 2009 by fauxcelt
Re: recording at sessions
"a recording TV crew arrived into the pub"
This, of course, is very different from someone unobtrusively making a recording for learning purposes.
If one examines the various copyright laws, usually the intent goes something like this: "personal and private use is OK, use for public performance or financial gain is not OK"
(The laws and attitudes towards sex are often similar).
Of course, it is possible for an innocuous-looking recording process to end up being exploited, and there are instances of professional recording which are respectfully done and beneficial to the subject.
And yes; what llig said.
# Posted on April 24th 2009 by oldstrings
Re: recording at sessions
I agree with Llig but I would question why anyone would want to record me
# Posted on April 24th 2009 by bazouki dave
Re: recording at sessions
I use a cheap cassette recorder I got at a church rummage sale for 50 cents. I always ask politely and have never been refused.
# Posted on April 25th 2009 by Greg the Piano Tuner
Re: recording at sessions
I know that I'll be in the minority here, but people managed to learn tunes before recording equipment was available, so you ought to be able to do the same.
However - if you ask in advance - and everyone at the session agrees - I guess that it's OK. But in my experience, people rarely ask.
i also think that any form of video recording is particularly intrusive. If you must do it, stick to audio recording.
# Posted on April 25th 2009 by Mix O'Lydian
Re: recording at sessions
What about if someone records youwithout your permission when you're p!shed and a pretty well all over the place, then subsequently puts it up on You Tube?
# Posted on April 25th 2009 by Rudall the time
Re: recording at sessions
Quite so Thistle. And you underlined my point.
If people must record as sessions, they should stick to audio.
# Posted on April 25th 2009 by Mix O'Lydian
Re: recording at sessions
I was recorded on the fly at a house session in Edinburgh 9 or 10 years ago and have to say I didn't find it too troubling when I found out. In fact I'd like a copy. But it would bother me now.
I know session recording go's on without permission but as said all you have to do is ask, no need for the spy routine. Having said that your not welcome when it comes to recording me.
# Posted on April 25th 2009 by Solidmahog
Re: recording at sessions
I am using my digital camera to record sessions. This is because it records sound better than anything else I have at my disposal. I'm only interested in the group sound for the purpose of identifying and learning the tunes (not individual performances). I figured it would be less irritating than asking "What was that?" at the end of every set. I place the camera on the table of drinks and have some very nice visuals of bouncing pints. Knees too. I'll turn it off if anyone objects. Is this ok?
# Posted on April 25th 2009 by sashiko calico
Re: recording at sessions
When I have recorded sessions, its the conversations between tunes that I would have thought would bother people more that the tunes. Things that were not necessarily shared with all in the room. They are the bits I really don't think I should keep and I edit them out and delete the original as soon as I upload them. But turning the thing on and off seems intrusive somehow.
# Posted on April 25th 2009 by David50
Re: recording at sessions
yeah isn't it amazing what a microphone will pick up! After a while it kind of becomes part of the scenery and everyone forgets its there. Especially after a few drinks taken! I've got some pretty incriminating stuff from a few sessions Cork 2000 and something.!
# Posted on April 26th 2009 by piobagusfidil
Re: recording at sessions
I have put lots of session clips up on YouTube. I only record the playing, not the conversation, and nobody has ever objected to it, not once.
What's the harm in it? After all, people in the pub can see you play--why not let other people around the world (including some of my fellow sesh.org members) share in the fun?
# Posted on April 26th 2009 by John Galt
Re: recording at sessions
Indeed Ionannas.
I agree that recording between tunes can be intrusive. You think you're having a nice easy chat, only to find someone recorded it, having forgotten to hit "stop" after your scratchy rendition of "Jerusalem Ridge."
That's why I'm taking it one step further and posting my offense on the web. I mean, here's a clip from last year in which I left my recorder on, and caught Will CPT actually refusing to pay his bar tab!!! (all the more embarassing with my crappy playing ruining his swing)
http://www.upload-mp3.com/files/30190_1rvat/rileys_mar_08.mp3
# Posted on April 26th 2009 by polkageist
Re: recording at sessions
I once set up my minidisc recorder on our table. I hit the pause button every time we stopped playing. But I 'd got off on the wrong foot, and, when I got home, I discovered I'd recorded every snatch of conversation and not one single bloody tune in four hours.
# Posted on April 26th 2009 by Steve Shaw
Re: recording at sessions
@Steve Shaw
I once did that videoing a friend's band at a pub gig. I had a perfect record of inter-number conversations, tuning up and general band faffing!
# Posted on April 26th 2009 by sashiko calico
Re: recording at sessions
actually Silver Bow I really enjoyed listening to you playing that.
# Posted on April 26th 2009 by sashiko calico
Re: recording at sessions
LOL, silver bow, that has to be one of the worst recordings of Dr. Gilbert's I've ever heard! And the Watchmaker isn't much better. Yecccchhhhh.....
BTW, who is this Will CPT you speak of?
# Posted on April 26th 2009 by Will Harmon
Re: recording at sessions
Thank goodness they redeem themselves a bit with The Tempest, half-remembered as it was....
# Posted on April 26th 2009 by Will Harmon
Re: recording at sessions
I don't know, he sure is a dick to the waiter though. Come on, aren't you outraged? Probably filing a DMCA right now.
# Posted on April 26th 2009 by polkageist
Re: recording at sessions
Well, as best as I can hear (the recording quality sucks--who was running that thing anyway?), the waiter owed Mr. CPT money for drinking the pub's beer. He's such a mighty player, they pay him to endorse their taps, I guess. Must be nice.
Hey, maybe CPT gives lessons! Do you think he'd teach me how to play like that?
# Posted on April 26th 2009 by Will Harmon
Re: recording at sessions
Ah, I see we're in damage control mode.
Your problem is that it's only a two-step process for me to demonstrate that:
1) Mr. CPT "endorses" a pig's ass, and
2) CPT is really the alter-ego of will harmon, who changed his name to Cheshire Puddy Tat to disassociate himself with arguments he was having on an internet site, and who then decided to once again use his real name.
# Posted on April 26th 2009 by polkageist
Re: recording at sessions
No, no. The arguments were fine. It was the groupies that got tiresome....
# Posted on April 26th 2009 by Will Harmon
Re: recording at sessions
It's pricey but well worth eating Ramen noodles for:
Zoom Handy H-4 recorder.
# Posted on April 27th 2009 by Fiddlechick7
Re: recording at sessions
A recorder is the most powerful way to make sense out of the wall of
tunes that Llig described poetically in another thread. This wall
intimidated the h e l l out me at the first few sessions I listened to. I couldn't
make much sense out of it until I started playing back recordings and
picking tunes out of it.
# Posted on April 28th 2009 by Hup
Re: recording at sessions
When I first began learning to back ITM, I was lucky enough to be a regular visitor at a session with some top- notch players. I was equally lucky that they were often unaccompanied ( & when they were, it was ACE bouzouki man, Michael Shorrock- R.I.P.). With the help of my trusty stereo recording Sony Walkman, I was indeed able to "make sense out of the wall of tunes", & began to take my first steps toward truly understanding how this music is put together, and then how to accompany it properly. No objection was ever made to recording these sessions, and I still go through those tapes regularly to find tunes (or inspiration!)
# Posted on April 28th 2009 by jaychoons