I was surprised about the lively response on the Jonny Cash thread. If I told my fellow musicians I was fond of Country music they'd think I was a bit weird.
Have you got any musical favourites that you wouldn't want your mates to know about? Momentary lapses of good taste?
Kuec, your fellow musicians would seem to have tunnel vision when it comes to music.
As well as our music, I also like some classical, blues, RīnīR, flamenco, jotas de Navarra, Gregorian chant and Chinese folk music. I could probably add to that list. If that makes me weird, Iīm proud to be so.
My answer to your first question is: No. As regards taste, good or bad doesnīt bother me. I just know what *my* taste is.
Wasnīt there a thread, way back, about alternative musical tastes?
Mike
I wasn't brought up on Irish music or traditional music come to that. I reached it indirectly through skiffle, blues, the sixties folk boom etc. In my younger days, when I started going to folk clubs and festivals, I used to wonder why some people insisted in playing these funny jigs and reels when I wanted to listen to Bob Dylan songs, blues, singer/songwriters etc. However, it all grew on me in the end. Yet I can't start disliking other forms of music even although I've moved away them in recent years.
A post-punk American band fronted by Guitarist/Singer Tom Verlaine, Television managed to wail their way through several albums and possibly they are still going. I reckon Red Hot Chilli Peppers knicked some of their ideas..in other words they were years ahead of their time! My favourite single track of theirs is Elevation, with cliff-hanging key and timing changes, when it came out in 1977, I think, it was a minor hit but because it (and they) didn't fit into any mold, never achieved the status it deserved.
Others away from the traditional stuff?
Hank Williams,
Loudon Wainwright III,
Celina Gonzales and other Latin music (ie not just Cuban)...Celina *stayed* in Cuba (unlike Celia Cruz) and so maintains much more folkiness, earthiness in her presentation.
Some (modern) Jazz, but particularly Thelonius Monk.
And of course, Joni Mitchell..how could I forget.
And Bob Dylan. Of course.
Beethoven, Bach, Chopin, Sibelius, some Schubert..but hardly any Mozart!...Sorry!
I really like Hip Hop and R&B - I also like soul, funk and anything by the beatles. I used to make mix tapes to listen to on the way to work and it would have everything from Tommy Peoples to Naughty By Nature
Would be posting all day in answer to this one!!!
Everything from Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass Band to The Stupids, The Ramones, The Hard-Ons, Eminem, Afrika Bambata,The Specials, Madness, U2, Dead Kennedys, Clash, Paul Robeson, Maria Callas, Cheesy Piano Accordion LPs, Beatles, Stones, Pink Floyd, Jimmy Durante, Judy Garland, Fred Astaire, Bing Crosby, Elvis, Sex Pistols,Frank Sinatra, The Cure, Wierd Al Yankovic, KISS, AC/DC,Village People, You name it and I'll probably have a soft spot that turns into a purplish yellow mauve bruise.
Oooohhhh! Like I'm really concerned dow! What's to be afraid of...I'll have you know that my eclectic tastes in music have little to do with how many solar revolutions I've seen.The above was only a sample of how old/weird I truly am...and I forgot to whisper...(paganinni).
I don't understand these replies. Kuec asks, "Have you got any musical favourites that you wouldn't want your mates to know about? Momentary lapses of good taste? " and everyone proudly says what they obviously WOULD like everyone to know they like.
Of course, I don't have any lapses in good taste(!), but I'll willingly shop my girlfriend for liking Wham! (I still haven't told her where I've hidden the records)..
Ottery, now that I'm so *old* and grown up, I'm not embarrassed to admit any of my tastes, since I don't really care about being hip. But when I was a young punkette, I concealed the fact that I really quite liked Dire Straits, cos that was really *square*...
Most of my mates regard my liking ITM as a lapse in good taste! There's not much on my overburdened shelves I'm ashamed of, except a copy of Robert Downey Jr singing "Smile", but if anybody asks, I say I bought it to show my sister how he's the dead spit of my brother in law! Oh, and a Simply Red album (will "me and the 'orrible 'ucknall grew up round the corner from each other" do as an excuse?). No, I think my main offence to good taste is in having bought so many flippin' records.
My post was not so much about the tolerance of session partners, I take that more or less for granted (a conditio sine qua non, if you like). Does anybody go out and buy CDs by e.g.
Eminem? Marilyn Manson? Cliff Richards?
Or if you prefer: does liking and playing ITM prevent/protect you from enjoying schmaltz, heavy metal or other things?
Helen, when Dire Straits started out, they were considered to be pretty cool (circa Sultans of...). They were sort of top dogs in that pre-punk period. I never really understood why they attracted quite so much opprobrium - I guess they were too successful, too quickly!
Here, I can reveal my lapsing taste and blind ingorance of "popular" music at the same time. My teenage boys recently turned me onto Marilyn Manson finally doing justice to that Eurythmics song about "sweet things are made of these." Absolutely creepy--the way I always thought the song should've sounded, in contrast with the cotton candy Eurythmics' approach.
I also listen to Blink 182, Good Charlotte, Sum 41, and Puddle of Mud. Not the usual mix for a 44 yearold fiddler.....
Like Frank Zappa , Little Feat, John McLaughlin / Shakti, Shankar (the violinist), most bluegrass, most bhangra...although I have to admit I only really listen to ITM CDs to learn the tunes - not for listening pleasure on the *cheap emotional level* (with one or two exceptions, of course). I guess it's a pretty bad admission to make, what what with this being an ITM site and all that...so before anyone tries to punish me, I'll make sure I give myself a good kicking at my karate class tonight!
What, you teach Glasgow Karate to the southerners, do you Jim?..." Geeza Boatle a thon El Dorado ih?, an' wull hivv some Jim Reeves records oan.... then...See you Big yin, you make me boak! Stitch! Jiggy bunnet! Enda story "........or are you more an adherent of the Solent Pugilist Society?
...Emm, maybe I'd better give the Bent Brief a miss after this post....
Nah, OK, getting real again, I liked the revival phase of Bluegrass also.. the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band..didn't they work with Vassar Clements at some point? Who in turn played with Bill Munroe. Then there was Poco. They are still listenable to. And that Gratefull Dead country album....in fact most stuff by the Dead. Strangely enough, when I was a rock n' roller I always much preferred the american version to the uk version. Dunno why. Yeah I do actually, but that would require several more paragraphs, and this thread is already, by definition, "off subject". So it would all be a total waste of electrons (even though they are recyclable).
Its a waste of time to be embarrassed anyways. Acutally Sir Nose said the other day that I had 'The Worst' taste in Pop music. Which I probably do actually........I'm a top 40 groupie as well, so maybe that isnt in line with my usual coolness.
Most of my friends know that I have broad listening tastes so nothing would really surprise them and there's not too much I wouldn't want them to know about... but on reflection the bit of the collection I tend to keep a bit quiet is the couple of theatre organ CDs 8>#
(They're not recordings of the nostalgic sentimental ballads and foot-tapping favourites that were the staple of theatre organ repertoire for ages but rather recordings by "crossover" classical players who use the thing tongue-in-cheek as a Romantic/Victorian organ - Carlo Curley, Lyn Larsen and their ilk. That's my excuse!)
I have to admit to having a soft spot for 80s music too. It reminds me of my childhood - white boots with big tongues that flopped out, shellsuits... haha....does anyone still wear those?! Of course I can't remember...um...any names of 80s bands I like...um...must've slipped my mind :->
Me too. Let's see -- Peter Gabriel, Nine Inch Nails, Bauhaus and/or Peter Murphy, though admittedly some of this is Nineties, Marilyn Manson, Rage Against the Machine, anything that the Bros. Finn were involved with (Split Enz, Crowded House), gosh, who was it who did "Hole in the Sky"?, Ministry in most of their incarnations, let's see, what else? -- in fact, most of the stuff my husband played on the dance floor while I was in my club days...
Guess I didn't think of the brothers Finn as an 80s group because they seem to transcend timezones. (And probably because I can also remember when Split Enz were top 40.) Yep, they're pretty cool.
Yep, you got it in one. I figured if anyone remembered it would be you! Anyway, I still think he was a hoot. I can't hear "The Twist" anymore and not hear him in my head, sounding vaguely threatening. No, not vaguely. Totally threatening. Heh. I've got to go find Marilyn Manson doing "Sweet Dreams"!
...so I'm sitting at home playing Manson's riff that goes with Sweet Dreams and wondering how to turn it into a sessionable reel.
With all this "other" listening we do, has anyone else had the experience of these non-ITM influences creeping into your session playing? I about sneezed out my beer one night because a Limp Bizkit riff came out of my fiddle in the middle of Farewell to Erin. Thank god it passed quickly and I can't seem to replicate it....
I loved the 80's stuff back in the day, but almost can't bear to listen to it now--it makes me feel like I'm regresssing to a more juvenile time of my life, when I only now wish I had known about Irish music!
Hey for *real* embarrassing stuff--let's go back a little further (for those in my age group--especially females)--remember the "music" of Shaun Cassidy, Donny Osmond and such? Oh yeah, don't forget Andy Gibb, too....
Oh, the Brothers Gibb, Donna Summers, the days of disco...so, I've noticed recently that on the radio (whenever I bother to turn it on) it seems like all the new artists are mainly doing covers of old stuff. Doesn't anyone write anything new anymore in pop these days?
Will, I told you that Limp Bizkit hospital story, didn't I? I seem to remember writing about it at some point here...
soft spots
soft spots
I was surprised about the lively response on the Jonny Cash thread. If I told my fellow musicians I was fond of Country music they'd think I was a bit weird.
Have you got any musical favourites that you wouldn't want your mates to know about? Momentary lapses of good taste?
# Posted on September 14th 2003 by kuec
Re: soft spots
Kuec, your fellow musicians would seem to have tunnel vision when it comes to music.
As well as our music, I also like some classical, blues, RīnīR, flamenco, jotas de Navarra, Gregorian chant and Chinese folk music. I could probably add to that list. If that makes me weird, Iīm proud to be so.
My answer to your first question is: No. As regards taste, good or bad doesnīt bother me. I just know what *my* taste is.
Wasnīt there a thread, way back, about alternative musical tastes?
Mike
# Posted on September 14th 2003 by murfbox
Re: soft spots
I wasn't brought up on Irish music or traditional music come to that. I reached it indirectly through skiffle, blues, the sixties folk boom etc. In my younger days, when I started going to folk clubs and festivals, I used to wonder why some people insisted in playing these funny jigs and reels when I wanted to listen to Bob Dylan songs, blues, singer/songwriters etc. However, it all grew on me in the end. Yet I can't start disliking other forms of music even although I've moved away them in recent years.
John
# Posted on September 14th 2003 by John J.
Re: soft spots
soft spot for the Who
think it was their three part harmonies
or Kieth Moons Bodhran playing
Peter
# Posted on September 14th 2003 by baorbrat
Re: soft spots
Talking of the Who and "soft spots", how about "Mama's got a squeeze box which she wears on her chest"
# Posted on September 14th 2003 by John J.
Television
A post-punk American band fronted by Guitarist/Singer Tom Verlaine, Television managed to wail their way through several albums and possibly they are still going. I reckon Red Hot Chilli Peppers knicked some of their ideas..in other words they were years ahead of their time! My favourite single track of theirs is Elevation, with cliff-hanging key and timing changes, when it came out in 1977, I think, it was a minor hit but because it (and they) didn't fit into any mold, never achieved the status it deserved.
Others away from the traditional stuff?
Hank Williams,
Loudon Wainwright III,
Celina Gonzales and other Latin music (ie not just Cuban)...Celina *stayed* in Cuba (unlike Celia Cruz) and so maintains much more folkiness, earthiness in her presentation.
Some (modern) Jazz, but particularly Thelonius Monk.
And of course, Joni Mitchell..how could I forget.
And Bob Dylan. Of course.
Beethoven, Bach, Chopin, Sibelius, some Schubert..but hardly any Mozart!...Sorry!
Danny.
# Posted on September 14th 2003 by Rudall the time
Contact
...Oh, and Roy Richards doing "Contact"...early Ska, probably c1967.
# Posted on September 14th 2003 by Rudall the time
Re: soft spots
I really like Hip Hop and R&B - I also like soul, funk and anything by the beatles. I used to make mix tapes to listen to on the way to work and it would have everything from Tommy Peoples to Naughty By Nature
# Posted on September 14th 2003 by bb
Re: soft spots
Would be posting all day in answer to this one!!!
Everything from Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass Band to The Stupids, The Ramones, The Hard-Ons, Eminem, Afrika Bambata,The Specials, Madness, U2, Dead Kennedys, Clash, Paul Robeson, Maria Callas, Cheesy Piano Accordion LPs, Beatles, Stones, Pink Floyd, Jimmy Durante, Judy Garland, Fred Astaire, Bing Crosby, Elvis, Sex Pistols,Frank Sinatra, The Cure, Wierd Al Yankovic, KISS, AC/DC,Village People, You name it and I'll probably have a soft spot that turns into a purplish yellow mauve bruise.
# Posted on September 14th 2003 by Greenwiggle
Re: soft spots
Showing your age GW (-:
# Posted on September 14th 2003 by Dr. Dow
Re: soft spots
Oooohhhh! Like I'm really concerned dow! What's to be afraid of...I'll have you know that my eclectic tastes in music have little to do with how many solar revolutions I've seen.The above was only a sample of how old/weird I truly am...and I forgot to whisper...(paganinni).
# Posted on September 14th 2003 by Greenwiggle
Re: soft spots
I don't understand these replies. Kuec asks, "Have you got any musical favourites that you wouldn't want your mates to know about? Momentary lapses of good taste? " and everyone proudly says what they obviously WOULD like everyone to know they like.
Of course, I don't have any lapses in good taste(!), but I'll willingly shop my girlfriend for liking Wham! (I still haven't told her where I've hidden the records)..
# Posted on September 14th 2003 by Ottery
Re: soft spots
I didn't take that too literally, and assumed he meant mates in this tradition.
# Posted on September 15th 2003 by Rudall the time
Re: soft spots
Damn - post disappeared! 2nd attempt...
Ottery, now that I'm so *old* and grown up, I'm not embarrassed to admit any of my tastes, since I don't really care about being hip. But when I was a young punkette, I concealed the fact that I really quite liked Dire Straits, cos that was really *square*...
# Posted on September 15th 2003 by Nell
Re: soft spots
Most of my mates regard my liking ITM as a lapse in good taste! There's not much on my overburdened shelves I'm ashamed of, except a copy of Robert Downey Jr singing "Smile", but if anybody asks, I say I bought it to show my sister how he's the dead spit of my brother in law! Oh, and a Simply Red album (will "me and the 'orrible 'ucknall grew up round the corner from each other" do as an excuse?). No, I think my main offence to good taste is in having bought so many flippin' records.
# Posted on September 15th 2003 by nastyweegirl
Re: soft spots
My post was not so much about the tolerance of session partners, I take that more or less for granted (a conditio sine qua non, if you like). Does anybody go out and buy CDs by e.g.
Eminem? Marilyn Manson? Cliff Richards?
Or if you prefer: does liking and playing ITM prevent/protect you from enjoying schmaltz, heavy metal or other things?
# Posted on September 15th 2003 by kuec
Re: soft spots
Helen, when Dire Straits started out, they were considered to be pretty cool (circa Sultans of...). They were sort of top dogs in that pre-punk period. I never really understood why they attracted quite so much opprobrium - I guess they were too successful, too quickly!
# Posted on September 15th 2003 by Ottery
Re: soft spots
Here, I can reveal my lapsing taste and blind ingorance of "popular" music at the same time. My teenage boys recently turned me onto Marilyn Manson finally doing justice to that Eurythmics song about "sweet things are made of these." Absolutely creepy--the way I always thought the song should've sounded, in contrast with the cotton candy Eurythmics' approach.
I also listen to Blink 182, Good Charlotte, Sum 41, and Puddle of Mud. Not the usual mix for a 44 yearold fiddler.....
# Posted on September 15th 2003 by Will Harmon
Re: soft spots
Like Frank Zappa , Little Feat, John McLaughlin / Shakti, Shankar (the violinist), most bluegrass, most bhangra...although I have to admit I only really listen to ITM CDs to learn the tunes - not for listening pleasure on the *cheap emotional level* (with one or two exceptions, of course). I guess it's a pretty bad admission to make, what what with this being an ITM site and all that...so before anyone tries to punish me, I'll make sure I give myself a good kicking at my karate class tonight!
Jim
# Posted on September 15th 2003 by Worldfiddler
Re: soft spots
What, you teach Glasgow Karate to the southerners, do you Jim?..." Geeza Boatle a thon El Dorado ih?, an' wull hivv some Jim Reeves records oan.... then...See you Big yin, you make me boak! Stitch! Jiggy bunnet! Enda story "........or are you more an adherent of the Solent Pugilist Society?
...Emm, maybe I'd better give the Bent Brief a miss after this post....
Nah, OK, getting real again, I liked the revival phase of Bluegrass also.. the Nitty Gritty Dirt Band..didn't they work with Vassar Clements at some point? Who in turn played with Bill Munroe. Then there was Poco. They are still listenable to. And that Gratefull Dead country album....in fact most stuff by the Dead. Strangely enough, when I was a rock n' roller I always much preferred the american version to the uk version. Dunno why. Yeah I do actually, but that would require several more paragraphs, and this thread is already, by definition, "off subject". So it would all be a total waste of electrons (even though they are recyclable).
Danny.
# Posted on September 15th 2003 by Rudall the time
Re: soft spots
Its a waste of time to be embarrassed anyways. Acutally Sir Nose said the other day that I had 'The Worst' taste in Pop music. Which I probably do actually........I'm a top 40 groupie as well, so maybe that isnt in line with my usual coolness.
# Posted on September 15th 2003 by bb
Re: soft spots
'80's music rules, bb! ;)
# Posted on September 15th 2003 by Zina Lee
Re: soft spots
Ooohhh I know - there is a concert in November in sydney - Kym Wilde, Human League and Belinda Carslile - just to name a few
Very exciting!
# Posted on September 15th 2003 by bb
Re: soft spots
Aaaagggh!! bb!!
Most of my friends know that I have broad listening tastes so nothing would really surprise them and there's not too much I wouldn't want them to know about... but on reflection the bit of the collection I tend to keep a bit quiet is the couple of theatre organ CDs 8>#
(They're not recordings of the nostalgic sentimental ballads and foot-tapping favourites that were the staple of theatre organ repertoire for ages but rather recordings by "crossover" classical players who use the thing tongue-in-cheek as a Romantic/Victorian organ - Carlo Curley, Lyn Larsen and their ilk. That's my excuse!)
# Posted on September 15th 2003 by Tish
Re: soft spots
I have to admit to having a soft spot for 80s music too. It reminds me of my childhood - white boots with big tongues that flopped out, shellsuits... haha....does anyone still wear those?! Of course I can't remember...um...any names of 80s bands I like...um...must've slipped my mind :->
# Posted on September 15th 2003 by Dr. Dow
Re: soft spots
Yeah, my age is showing now, I'm a bit older than you two young vipperschnappers 8>)
# Posted on September 15th 2003 by Tish
Re: soft spots
Me too. Let's see -- Peter Gabriel, Nine Inch Nails, Bauhaus and/or Peter Murphy, though admittedly some of this is Nineties, Marilyn Manson, Rage Against the Machine, anything that the Bros. Finn were involved with (Split Enz, Crowded House), gosh, who was it who did "Hole in the Sky"?, Ministry in most of their incarnations, let's see, what else? -- in fact, most of the stuff my husband played on the dance floor while I was in my club days...
# Posted on September 15th 2003 by Zina Lee
Re: soft spots
yeah Crowded house and split endz - how could ive left them out! Its good to see you back on line Dow - I hope youre feeling better
# Posted on September 15th 2003 by bb
Re: soft spots
Does anyone remember....Klaus Nomi? Zina, I'm counting on you, girl
I also like all the other 80's stuff. The last time I liked *any* popular music was the 80's! Must be getting old...
# Posted on September 15th 2003 by soft black stars
Re: soft spots
Lessee...died of AIDS, right? The one who sang the opera tenor stuff, like Purcell's Cold Song? Wore that funny vinyl suit with the big bow tie?
# Posted on September 15th 2003 by Zina Lee
Re: soft spots
Guess I didn't think of the brothers Finn as an 80s group because they seem to transcend timezones. (And probably because I can also remember when Split Enz were top 40.) Yep, they're pretty cool.
# Posted on September 15th 2003 by Tish
Re: soft spots
Yep, you got it in one. I figured if anyone remembered it would be you! Anyway, I still think he was a hoot. I can't hear "The Twist" anymore and not hear him in my head, sounding vaguely threatening. No, not vaguely. Totally threatening. Heh. I've got to go find Marilyn Manson doing "Sweet Dreams"!
# Posted on September 15th 2003 by soft black stars
Re: soft spots
Yeah, that's a good'un, Chris, like Will says, it's REALLY creepy.
# Posted on September 15th 2003 by Zina Lee
Re: soft spots
...so I'm sitting at home playing Manson's riff that goes with Sweet Dreams and wondering how to turn it into a sessionable reel.
With all this "other" listening we do, has anyone else had the experience of these non-ITM influences creeping into your session playing? I about sneezed out my beer one night because a Limp Bizkit riff came out of my fiddle in the middle of Farewell to Erin. Thank god it passed quickly and I can't seem to replicate it....
# Posted on September 15th 2003 by Will Harmon
Re: soft spots
See, Will, there's a theory that anything that you have listened to and enjoyed influences your music.
But how does this widespread liking of the 80s show? For me this decade should have been cancelled completely but that's a different matter.
# Posted on September 16th 2003 by kuec
Re: soft spots
I loved the 80's stuff back in the day, but almost can't bear to listen to it now--it makes me feel like I'm regresssing to a more juvenile time of my life, when I only now wish I had known about Irish music!
Hey for *real* embarrassing stuff--let's go back a little further (for those in my age group--especially females)--remember the "music" of Shaun Cassidy, Donny Osmond and such? Oh yeah, don't forget Andy Gibb, too....
# Posted on September 16th 2003 by Andee
Re: soft spots
More embarrasing stuff: Lynrd Skynrd. Rodgers and Hammerstein. Billy Joel. Don't tell anyone.
# Posted on September 17th 2003 by lcox
Re: soft spots
Oh, the Brothers Gibb, Donna Summers, the days of disco...so, I've noticed recently that on the radio (whenever I bother to turn it on) it seems like all the new artists are mainly doing covers of old stuff. Doesn't anyone write anything new anymore in pop these days?
Will, I told you that Limp Bizkit hospital story, didn't I? I seem to remember writing about it at some point here...
# Posted on September 17th 2003 by Zina Lee