A mind-boggling exercise in our money being wasted by be-suited dunderheads in the UK's government http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7989945.stm
I suppose we ought to be grateful that they apparently haven't thought to include the bodhran ... but give 'em time.
oh, btw, the celt bit in the url is just one of them serendipity things - it's a silly acronym for centre (for the) enhancement (of) learning and teaching - wouldn't work with 'for the' & 'of' in it eh.
>> John has worked successfully with many varied groups and communities and holds ... regular weekend workshops at the Boghill Centre, Kilfinore, Co, Clare, Ireland. <<
You might be unpleasantly surprised how many t wats there are around then Michael. All the time everywhere you go it's workshops for this workshops for that workshops on how to hold workshops....
I'm just surprised that they let vets bate the living s hite out of animal skins, when their job is to be animal doctors. Maybe it was a catharsis for all the naughty behaviour they had to put up with from the silly piggies. Just thump out that angst, man.
On the other hand what's the big problem with vets having fun, even if it is on the taxpayer? After all if a cabinet minister's husband can invoice the taxpayer for porno movies so he can beat his meat, why shouldn't we pay for vets to just beat?
Ah! But if a kosher ITM bodhran name had had a workshop of that kind with vets in Ireland, or indeed anywhere else, someone might have put in an admiring post about it and Sessioners might have queued up to offload their warm fuzzies about this latest expansion of ITM - as an ancient discipline with cutting-edge relevance - into addressing totally unexpected areas of need. Not to mention, possibly wildly lucrative ones.
I agree with llig's comments on the use of the word "workshop" as meaning, falling asleep with half a cup of coffee (or a glass of wine, indeed) on a common-room table as someone holds forth in a bearded monotone about a topic from which one's interest has long since fled.
But I can't at the moment think up any suitable equivalent word - i.e., a term for this which is neither absurdly souped-up nor actively derogatory.
To me, "workshop" means something like a forge I once stayed near. It was a formidable place, whose activity looked at times like an all-or-nothing attempt to recreate Iceland.
So "workshop" in the sense I first touched on does make me cringe a bit. But not as much as "disciplines" can do, let alone "tools"...
Curiously enough, I used to work in veterinary education.
British vets now have a 5-year university course, including much time spent working in veterinary practices when other students would be vacationing, and might leave uni with a £30,000 debt to be paid back over their first few years of working life. Added to which they are expected to be amongst the top 2% of freshman in their pre-uni qualifications, and to have demonstrated a deep commitment to the job before they even gain admittance to uni. I think they do actually need a bit of this team-building stuff to lighten them up and get them into a better mindset for the job. I'm all in favour of this sort of thing.
PS US students need to do a 4-year science degree before they even get into veterinary school. All to be a cow-doctor ( or whatever ). Even years ago, there was talk in my school that there should be ways to get dimmer students on the course, as the vets out in the field were saying "You won't get these bright young things ( now 70 % female, incidentally ) wanting to be in a byre at 2 am with their arms up a cow's fundament helping to deliver a calf, not once they're 35 0r 40, they'll want to be in industry, keeping their lab-coats clean and earning pots of money. And going home at 5pm too."
I notced that the Anarchists were all out in London last week, on organised events, sipping their Starbucks and banging drums in time with each other.
They haven't a clue about Anarchy - I can recommend some sessions for them to go to and learn about Anarchy from the rhythm department.
Some sessions have passengers - some sessions have hijackers.
You can learn some fabulous things by playing music together - so don't knock it! I'm guessing this report is just the usual journalism thing - an easy target and politicians scoring points.
Strangely enough, Geoff, the drummers themselves aren't anarchists. They have leaders, and an organisation. They even rejearse. Of course you do get anarchists on these demos, and my advice is always to avoid them, as even if they aren't causing trouble, the police like them as an easy target.
Vets sent on drumming workshops
Vets sent on drumming workshops
A mind-boggling exercise in our money being wasted by be-suited dunderheads in the UK's government http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7989945.stm
I suppose we ought to be grateful that they apparently haven't thought to include the bodhran ... but give 'em time.
# Posted on April 8th 2009 by Trevor Jennings
Re: Vets sent on drumming workshops
http://www.lancs.ac.uk/celt/celtweb/drumming_workshop
not just vets, wannabe managers too - it's that hippy management bollox that pervades all aspects of life. Personally I blame Planxty for all of it.
# Posted on April 8th 2009 by pavlf
Re: Vets sent on drumming workshops
oh, btw, the celt bit in the url is just one of them serendipity things - it's a silly acronym for centre (for the) enhancement (of) learning and teaching - wouldn't work with 'for the' & 'of' in it eh.
# Posted on April 8th 2009 by pavlf
Re: Vets sent on drumming workshops
Like Alexie Sayle says, anyone who uses the word "workshop" who isn't involved in light engineering is a complete T W A T.
# Posted on April 8th 2009 by ...
Re: Vets sent on drumming workshops
>> “being in the bluff zone” when we got lost was still contributing to the group sound <<
A very dangerous attitude.
# Posted on April 8th 2009 by DaveL35
Re: Vets sent on drumming workshops
>> John has worked successfully with many varied groups and communities and holds ... regular weekend workshops at the Boghill Centre, Kilfinore, Co, Clare, Ireland. <<
Why am I not surprised at this?
# Posted on April 9th 2009 by DaveL35
Re: Vets sent on drumming workshops
You might be unpleasantly surprised how many t wats there are around then Michael. All the time everywhere you go it's workshops for this workshops for that workshops on how to hold workshops....
I'm just surprised that they let vets bate the living s hite out of animal skins, when their job is to be animal doctors. Maybe it was a catharsis for all the naughty behaviour they had to put up with from the silly piggies. Just thump out that angst, man.
On the other hand what's the big problem with vets having fun, even if it is on the taxpayer? After all if a cabinet minister's husband can invoice the taxpayer for porno movies so he can beat his meat, why shouldn't we pay for vets to just beat?
# Posted on April 9th 2009 by Rudall the time
Re: Vets sent on drumming workshops
It's all wrong. all of it.
# Posted on April 9th 2009 by pavlf
Re: Vets sent on drumming workshops
Ah! But if a kosher ITM bodhran name had had a workshop of that kind with vets in Ireland, or indeed anywhere else, someone might have put in an admiring post about it and Sessioners might have queued up to offload their warm fuzzies about this latest expansion of ITM - as an ancient discipline with cutting-edge relevance - into addressing totally unexpected areas of need. Not to mention, possibly wildly lucrative ones.
# Posted on April 9th 2009 by nicholas
Re: Vets sent on drumming workshops
If there's any money left.
# Posted on April 9th 2009 by nicholas
Re: Vets sent on drumming workshops
I agree with llig's comments on the use of the word "workshop" as meaning, falling asleep with half a cup of coffee (or a glass of wine, indeed) on a common-room table as someone holds forth in a bearded monotone about a topic from which one's interest has long since fled.
But I can't at the moment think up any suitable equivalent word - i.e., a term for this which is neither absurdly souped-up nor actively derogatory.
To me, "workshop" means something like a forge I once stayed near. It was a formidable place, whose activity looked at times like an all-or-nothing attempt to recreate Iceland.
So "workshop" in the sense I first touched on does make me cringe a bit. But not as much as "disciplines" can do, let alone "tools"...
# Posted on April 9th 2009 by nicholas
Re: Vets sent on drumming workshops
Curiously enough, I used to work in veterinary education.
British vets now have a 5-year university course, including much time spent working in veterinary practices when other students would be vacationing, and might leave uni with a £30,000 debt to be paid back over their first few years of working life. Added to which they are expected to be amongst the top 2% of freshman in their pre-uni qualifications, and to have demonstrated a deep commitment to the job before they even gain admittance to uni. I think they do actually need a bit of this team-building stuff to lighten them up and get them into a better mindset for the job. I'm all in favour of this sort of thing.
PS US students need to do a 4-year science degree before they even get into veterinary school. All to be a cow-doctor ( or whatever ). Even years ago, there was talk in my school that there should be ways to get dimmer students on the course, as the vets out in the field were saying "You won't get these bright young things ( now 70 % female, incidentally ) wanting to be in a byre at 2 am with their arms up a cow's fundament helping to deliver a calf, not once they're 35 0r 40, they'll want to be in industry, keeping their lab-coats clean and earning pots of money. And going home at 5pm too."
# Posted on April 11th 2009 by Guernsey Pete
Re: Anarchists sent on drumming workshops
I notced that the Anarchists were all out in London last week, on organised events, sipping their Starbucks and banging drums in time with each other.
They haven't a clue about Anarchy - I can recommend some sessions for them to go to and learn about Anarchy from the rhythm department.
Some sessions have passengers - some sessions have hijackers.
# Posted on April 11th 2009 by geoffwright
Re: Vets sent on drumming workshops
You can learn some fabulous things by playing music together - so don't knock it! I'm guessing this report is just the usual journalism thing - an easy target and politicians scoring points.
# Posted on April 11th 2009 by Mark Harmer
Re: Vets sent on drumming workshops
Strangely enough, Geoff, the drummers themselves aren't anarchists. They have leaders, and an organisation. They even rejearse. Of course you do get anarchists on these demos, and my advice is always to avoid them, as even if they aren't causing trouble, the police like them as an easy target.
# Posted on April 12th 2009 by Guernsey Pete
Re: Vets sent on drumming workshops
pronounce that 'j' in the Spanish style - re j earse.
# Posted on April 12th 2009 by Guernsey Pete