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So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
I mean, won't they give you like a weird look if you don't know anyone or anything? Or is it a very friendly event?
I'm just a pretty shy person so I'm not going to be walking in with my mouth wide open.
Can you just sit near them and play and not even talk? I would love that.
Please tell me what it was like at your first session.
I've been to a session before (as an observer) because my cousin is a really repected player in rhode island but it seemed like they all really knew each other...
Thanks for the help.
P.S. I'm not planning on going to a session for a while but I want to be like mentally prepared or something.
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
I hesitate to say how it went at my first session, because it was a humiliating disaster. However, at my SECOND session, I said something like this. "hello, would it be all right if I joined your session? I'm kind of a beginner, so I promise to only play along on the tunes I know and sit off to the side here if it's alright."
I said this after I had already been listing a while, and observed the ebb and flow of the tunes and the players.
The folks welcomed me immediately, and after a while even asked if I wanted to start a tune. I plodded my way through some dreadful jigs, but was quickly supported by the more experienced players.
I know it's hard to walk right up to a group of strangers and introduce yourself, but it really is the best way to meet people. During my first dozen session experiences I was only told to "feck away off!" once - 1 out of 12 isn't too bad eh?
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
Here are my thoughts. If you haven't been to the session before and you are a newbie, I'd just sit down with your instrument in the case and buy a pint and listen. Then you can see if they're playing tunes that you know. From there, maybe someone will invite you over or you can ask if you can join them.
Being friendly and polite goes a long way. Unfortunately (based on your comments), talking is almost as important as playing. And most all the people that play trad are great folks so you'll be missing out if you don't talk.
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
I went to a session for a year and a half as a patron who loved good music. I had no intention of playing as I had not touched a guitar in 38 years. I started to play a session someone's house to learn a few tunes and purchased a very nice Martin guitar.
I brought to the session to show a friend of mine. Must to my surprise, the session leader stopped the session half way through and said, "Ted, I know you have a guitar with you and that you know the next set, so sit down and play with us." I was mortified, but I sat down and played the set. I decided to keep sitting and playing that night, and haven't stopped since.
Now, I play 4-5 sessions a week, and my playing has improved dramatically. I guess you could say I am session obsessed.
So, don't be afraid or shy, most people at the sessions I play welcome newbies as long as they try to learn the tunes, do not play tunes they don't know, and do no harm to the music.
Good Luck! When you start to play, you will like it more and more as time goes on. It is fun to play music with other musicians for people who appreciate good music.
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
A session isn't anything really strange: it's a bunch of people getting together to enjoy themselves playing music. If you keep in mind that there's maybe eight or ten people there, and you're only one of them, and try to play such that everybody there has a good time, you're going to do fine. As you're just starting, that'll mean sitting out a lot of tunes that you don't know, resisting the urge to start tunes that you sort of know, and listening to some great music while you pick up a fragment here and there of what's going by you. But as Eejit and nofrets and Ted have said, if you come in with a friendly face and show some respect for the music, people will almost always respond with a lot of warmth.
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
My strategy is to have enough of an internet presence that usually, when I come visit a new session, at least some of the people have heard of me, and usually some have seen some of my videos and have a sense of my playing. With any luck, they've been to San Diego and come to one of the sessions I host. Its been years since I walked into a session as a complete stranger, which is a very comforting way to have had things turn out.
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
Michael, the internet presence is hardly an option for the beginner I would think. At least I am assuming that a Newbie is not just new to the particular session but new to trad sessions in general.
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
It's like any other clique. If you're a great trad player who doesn't
make a big deal out of it, you'll be in immediately. If you're like me,
it'll take a couple of years
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
After sitting through the first session without playing a note, I
vowed never to do that again. So gradually I've played more and
more notes starting with session #2. It's taken hard work and
introspection since I'm a wind player trying to make Trad music
on a fiddle.
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
I visit various places and like to sit in on a session when I can. My approach is to use this site to try and make contact with someone before I turn up. I have found people to be really helpful in this way. Other than that, I just turn up and listen for a while. If I know a few of the tunes, I ask if it's a closed session or open to anyone and take it from there. Be prepared to sit out and listen if you don't know the tunes, some nights I can play all night, others I might only know a few tunes. Sometimes I never take my instrument out of its case if it's a seriously high standard or blisteringly fast paced (not always the same thing).
Locally, you can often find a session that is suited to your standard. It pays to try and play with better players than you and learn from them if they are willing.
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
Patrick91
My first real session was about 35 years ago in ODonahues(Sp?)in Dublin...i had a few tunes on me, but had moved over from england to change my english way of playing.I was welomed warmly as I recall.But I didn't play much, quietly if I did , but mostly listened & watchedBack then I couldn't sleep at night for the tunes buzzing in my head.But each time I went back, or to a different one I'd have a new tune or to, & snappier rolls
I co- run a couple sessions up here in NH now with box player Chris Stevens.We welcome anyone who comes in.They usualy ask if its cool & sit on in. & of course it is
Some people can keep up...some can't...like me at my first one.
I someone new or less able starts a tune abit slow, well play at that speed , but then its back up to tempo.
Its nice to see people show up, keep coming back & getting better.
But you got to get in there & keep going back, as long as its fun.
Who's the person in Rhode Island you mention...I know a few folk down that way
cheers
Roger Burridge
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
I have been learning the tin whistle for a few months and still learning out of comhaltas books. the hardest part is throwing the book away and trying to memorise the tunes. trying to build up a repertoire of a few tunes so i can at least contribute to a session somewhat. it simply amazes me the hundreds of tunes people know by memory. after listening in on a few sessions now it is not session etiquette to bring a tunes book
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
Some people do though and can have an image of "the dots" in their head or, alternatively, memorise their finger positions.
The above seems very strange to be but this is what many people report!
Whenever I learn a tune from "the dots", it becomes more like "learning to play by ear" from myself' and once it is "in my head" I don't think about the written music at all.
Of course, there is a risk that you might be playing it wrong this way and learning the wrong tune from yourself... eg poor music reading skills or even a poor written version of the tune. That's why listening to other players is really important.
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
The best way to join a session is slowly. You say you are not planning on joining a session for a while - so start going as 'audience' now. Watch and learn. When they notice you coming regularly and taking an interest someone will talk to you (if the session is any good). Inevitably they will ask 'Do you play', and if you say 'yes' they will say 'why not bring your instrument along?' It's a lot easier to join in when you have been invited.
As to playing for the first time, my advice would be to not start stuff that the session plays, but choose a couple of fairly obscure tunes and learn them well. Start them in a lull, and hopefully one or two accompanist will pick you up, but the virtuosos won't take over. If you've been in the woodshed up to now, that should be thrill enough for one evening, so leave it at that. You'll probably want to carry on that way for a few weeks - not joining in the main session, but starting a tune or two of your own when the opertunity arises. Then you'll gradually start joining in with more and more tunes. But remember that listening is just as important as playing. Only join in tunes when you are confident that you know them well enough not to muck it up for everyone else. Don't try to compete in the reel-races on your first night! And above all, enjoy yourself.
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
Hi Patrick, best of luck to you. You'll have to bite the bullet and be a bit social. I know it's tough, but think of it this way. These people all love the same thing you do, the music. It's not really a group of strangers. There's a very powerful link there between you all, you all love the music.
There's a line from that movie "The Boys and the Girls from County Clare" that always stuck with me:
"...when you've got the music, you've got friends for life..."
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
Roger B - I'm pretty sure the poster is a cousin of J. Devine. Parents from Cavan ... (the birthplace of depression.) Hope you're doing well these days.
Certainly politeness and communication go a long way. Don't sit there with your instrument and not talk. People hate that; we go to a session for a social as well as musical experience. I think there's something wrong with playing a tune with someone who's name you don't know.
That "internet presence" thing is the most ridiculous bs I have ever heard. Seriously.
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
The "internet presence" thing is not ridiculous BS... Mr. Eskin's videos were how I learned my first tunes on the whistle. If I ever saw him, Ryan Duns, either of the Bachands, or PJ from Mallorca show up at my local session, I would certainly welcome them!
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
I don't know if I'd advise starting an obscure tune. When you play something that other people know, it's okay if you don't play it perfectly because other people are playing along with you. And I think it's more fun than playing solo! You do run the risk that someone will hurry the tempo, but most people know enough to keep it at the pace you choose. And then there's the danger of becoming the person who always plays tunes that nobody else knows---maybe nice for you, but not so nice for others who never get to join you.
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
In our session we like the guys who always bring new tunes! That way we get to play new tunes, instead of just churning out the same old stuff.
But the real reason for suggesting starting with something unusual, is that if a newcomer picks a session tune that is simple enough for them to play confidently, it is almost certainly going to be one of the old standards that have been done to death. And boring people is not a good way to make friends.
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
So, Patrrick, I notice you have submitted 2 Discussions in the last few days, this one and "Where do I start (Traditional IRish)." One about how to get started in sessions, the other how to get started playing Irish music.
Rather than submit discussions, just get whatever instrument (s) you are most confortable with, and go to a session and listen and play the tunes that you can.
You said you have a relative who is a respected player. Why can't he or she help you get started? Seems the answer is right there.
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
It's best not to go to your first session as an outsider. Go to the session without your instrument, introduce yourself to the people there. Tell them that you're just learning. Inevitably, they'll invite you to bring your instrument back, and that way, you're coming at it as an insider.
If you're lucky, someone at the session will take you under their wing, and guide you in what you need to know. Maybe take some lessons from a player in that session who plays the same instrument as you, and then they'll let you know when you're ready.
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
Yes, you don't want to play the old warhorses all the time, but if it's a session with nice people (which is not always the case), the more experienced players are not going to look down their noses at someone who comes in for their first tune in a session and plays the Kesh jig. Or at least they shouldn't. The point is that the new person is having their first session playing experience, and everyone else can help them out by playing one tune with them. I think that's better than playing an obscure tune all by yourself just so you don't bore people.
We had a new player just last night who played a common hornpipe, and everyone joined, and it came out fine, and the person had a positive experience and will keep coming back. Isn't that the way it's supposed to be?
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
"...more experienced players are not going to look down their noses at someone who comes in for their first tune in a session and plays the Kesh jig. Or at least they shouldn't."
Seriously, who are you to say what experienced players should or should not do in their own sessions? There is no "way it's supposed to be." Some sessions will welcome a beginnier playing the Kesh, and some in some sessions the "experienced players" (everyone in the session) will sit there and pretend they don't know it. In the latter case, the beginnier has stumbled upon a session where they don't belong (as a player) and don't have the common sense to figure that out for themselves. You can say that those "experienced musicians" are a##holes for doing that to a beginnier -- I say they are protecting a good session that's about people who have known each other for a long time playing good music together.
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
Well, Chrishty, I guess I was assuming that the beginner would have enough sense not to dive into an advanced level session---which is the reason others on this thread have recommended visiting any given session first to see what kind of music they play and what the people are like.
And as for your specific example, those players pretending they don't know a common tune are not "protecting a session". They're being unkind. There's no reason they can't play one single tune and then have a talk with the person afterward to give them advice on other sessions that might be more suitable, or pointers on what's expected. Any serious beginner would appreciate their generosity and take their advice on board.
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
Christy, I have never quite appreciated "The Kesh Jig" or "The Butterfly Slip Jig" as much I will from this week on. I'll probably even be starting them.
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
Oh, yeah, now I remember, Chrishty is the one who didn't want to play the Butterfly and was rude the the woman who asked for it. Let's just hope Patrick91 doesn't go to Chrishty's session.
Patrick, there are friendly sessions, and unfriendly sessions. Pull yourself out of your shell long enough to talk to a few people at your chosen session and figure out whether they're the friendly kind or not. You'll save yourself a lot of potential aggravation in the long run.
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
Go on then, Random -- tear into them.
I can understand how a beginnier might classify sessions as "friendly" or "unfriendly." I think it would be better to say "beginner friendly." Some sessions are of a high standard and have been for many years. You could say that they are "unfriendly," but if you can play and fit in and have something interesting to say, you will find them to be quite friendly. As you pointed out, kennedy, one would hope that the beginner would have enough sense not to play in such sessions. Sadly, many beginners do not have so much common sense. Anyway, these sessions might not welcome beginners, but they are not unfriendly.
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
Really, it's just like meeting people of the opposite sex. All you have to do is memorize some good introductions. Here are a few to start you off:
"Is this an open jam, man?"
"Are you guys a band?"
"Hey cool! I'll go get my amp - be right back."
"Is this your beer?"
"Have you got any Irish in you? No? Would you like to have some?" (Whoops - wrong list.)
"What kind of music are you playing?"
"That's not Irish music - THAT'S F E C K I N' EGYPTIAN MUSIC!!!"
"Could you move over so I can sit next to the blonde girl playing the fiddle?"
"I just got this 'bod-ron' drum yesterday! Can I sit right behind you and give you the beat?"
And so on and so forth. It's quite easy once you get the hang of it.
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
Patrick - Hoo, boy, I could go on for pages about my early session experiences, but I'll try to keep it brief. I waded right in thinking that it would be like the old bluegrsss "jam sessions" and pick-up contra bands from days of yore. The first time was a humiliating disaster, as someone here aptly put it , and I got straightened out Real Fast, but in a kind way, as I already knew some of the folks, from the aforementioned Jams. It was with fear and trepidation that I forced myself to show up the next few times, but I soon discovered that I'd become part of a community ("...where's your guitar?" " ...where've you been? We haven't seen you in a while..."), just by being nice and asking good questions. Mind you, this particular session has a (possibly undeserved) reputation for being unfriendly. But, as has already been said, it just depends on the particular session, and even who's there that particular evening.
Start going ASAP, like tonight, just to listen a few times and get to know folks. Ask questions (I got ribbed a few times for "taking notes" - but whatever helps...).
You didn't mention in your bio where you live. That might help; someone may be able to point you to the right places.
You're in for a heckuva ride!
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
As an adult beginner with only a few years music-making under my belt, I can understand the intimidating feeling and the pressure of shyness. But the reality, I've discovered, is that most musicians are fairly friendly. You hear a few horror-stories, and on this site you read plenty of them, but don't go thinking that rudeness is the norm, or that there's some kind of esoteric code-of-conduct to be mastered (it's not like joining the freemasons). Yes, go and listen first; yes, introduce yourself before-hand, say you're a beginner, ask if you can join in. Take the plunge, and enjoy it!
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
Please humor me a moment whilst I stick a wee toe into the waters of support for the Butterfly hatin' Christy. I know there are high level sessions of dear friends who cherish their tunes years of playing together. I can appreciate that these folks do not want to spend an evening "baby-sitting" a newbie while they slog their way through a half-speed versions of Harvest Home etc..
Even still, there are tactful ways to let a newbie down easily and let them know the ground rules without crushing their spirit entirely. Chrishty, it wouldn't kill you to offer up some simple civility with your exclusionary gatherings. Furthermore, I would wager that 95% of most newbies would have the simple common sense not wade into your group unannounced anyway. Nearly everyone here has recommended "observing first."
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
Speaking from my own experience, I would recommend sitting there quietly and listening and observing before you try to participate in a music jam session of any type.
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
Hi there
I find some this thread rather amusing
OP asks what was it like at your first session?
Eskin you reply with an absolute cracker of an 'Internet Presence` Strategy
ie when you visit a new session you hope someone has already heard of you through your videos
You obviously missed by a...... mile....... the OP's question
As pointed out by the post from Donough
"Hardly an option for a beginner"
and further pointed out by Christy
"That Internet presence thing is the most ridiculous bullsh*t...etc"
In defence of this
Low whistler
You say it's not bullsh*t and you go on to mention that you learned tunes from those said videos and of course Michael would be welcome at your session
You also miss the OP's question by fanning Michael's ego!
Call it as it really is Michael, your `Internet strategy` has got nothing to do with being welcomed at sessions so that you don't have to introduce yourself
Your `Internet `strategy is to get a name for yourself as a respected trad musician / teacher and make some money on the side with your videos etc
Sounds a bit daft to me to spend possibly $2000 dollars on video equipment as you have as an `Introduction to sessions`
Just my opinion right enough...but there ya go!
As to the OP question;
My first session was daunting however I was invited by another musician so that helped break me in.
I do think if you just ask or enquire in a friendly way, perhaps someone who is in the session who goes to the bar for a drink.. well there is an opportunity to casually make an enquiry
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
Hey pkev, nice to see you! Hope things are going well for you.
My advice to any new player attending a session is be friendly, introduce yourself, be honest about being a new player, have a few tunes that you can play very well and wait until someone invites you to start a tune.
If they are gruff and nasty to you, f*ck 'em, go find another session where you will have an opportunity to participate. Don't take it personally, some people are just a$$holes and you probably don't want to spend your time with them anyway.
There are all kinds of people in the world, some like to share and be inclusive, some live in closed little cliques, this music is no different.
Find a group that will welcome you, keep in mind that you are a new person coming from outside into someone else's party and at first people will want to figure out your skills and ability.
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
Thinking some more about pkev and Chrishty's comments, in spite of their cheery commentary, there is definitely value in using the web, email, and social media sites like Twitter and Facebook to take some of edge off of being a first timer at a session.
See if the session you are attending has a web page, or an online email contact. Might be a link on the venue's website, or a weekly music/entertainment newspaper that lists weekly sessions and jams. Send that person an email expressing your interest in attending the session. Tell them about your interest in the music and ask questions about how open the session is to beginners. You'll get some sense for what you may be walking into, and most importantly, someone at the session will know who you are, even if its just "some guy who was asking about the session". There is real value in establishing a relationship <before> ever playing a tune. That has certainly been the case here in San Diego, we have new players showing up at our sessions, and often times I get an email to the effect of "I'm new in town, just started playing Irish music. I found your name on the web, what can you tell me about the local sessions." Then when they come to one of our sessions that is beginner friendly, we generally know a little about them and can very quickly get them integrated into the scene...
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
I am a newbie myself and just wanted to say that some of what was said in this thread reflects my experience.
I'd go in there with extra-large helpings of courage and humility, and plan to sit and listen most of the night. You will have to at least introduce yourself and I think it's best to ask if you can have a seat (though at our session it's fine to just come in and sit - it's advertised as an 'open session').
The third time is easier than the first and second.
I'd echo the advice to not start a tune unless you're asked to (chances are you will be)...but be prepared with at least a few confident tunes if you can. Our session is small and I've learned the hard way that I'd best be prepared with a half-dozen tunes, and not always the same tunes as the week before. Better to run out of tunes and decline the offer than muckle through something you only half-know.
Another bit of advice: Stay in tune and stay in tempo.
If you wait long enough, they might play something you know. If you pack up your instrument early, Murphy's Law will prevail.
Try to learn tunes that you recognize from hearing often at your session. I believe the folks I play with appreciate that I have made the effort to learn some of their favorites, and it means I get to play more often because these are tunes the others like to start. Also it's been good for me to push my speed at home to try to get up to the speed that some of the regulars like to play at (which, for me, is FAST - but I am getting better at it!). I think both of those things are helping me fit in.
Also, if you're easily intimidated, you might not want to Google your session-mates. (Learned that one the hard way also! Yikes.)
I went to our session just to listen at least a half-dozen times before I went to participate. I did some people-watching to get a sense of personalities, styles, and names. It helped me feel like it wasn't a table full of strangers (even though it was).
For me, it took a long time to feel comfortable, and I'm still pretty self-conscious and nervous, but it's getting easier and I'm starting to feel like I fit in. Going over and over has helped. I've been playing at our session weekly for about 2 months now.
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
Haha, on last dec. 31st some piper played (or tried to play) Morning Trush... I followed along on the whistle, and then the piper turned to me and said "Ah, did you learn this from Michael Eskin?". Sigh... I'm gonna blame the internet for that one
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
Yeah mission accomplished Michael, a bunch of noobs venerate their God It's just annoying for some of us who wish these guys would get their music from a real source. No disrespect intended. I think you're an okay player, but I'd say you're still not on the tip of the iceberg.
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
Azalin,
I agree, I'm just climbing out of the water using the iceberg analogy. I also agree that anyone learning a tune should try to seek out the original source if possible, not rely on just my site, god forbid! That's certainly what I do when learning tunes. I hope you pointed the piper to a Seamus Ennis recording to get the "real stuff"! I should add that to our videos, where we originally learned the tunes...
So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
I mean, won't they give you like a weird look if you don't know anyone or anything? Or is it a very friendly event?
I'm just a pretty shy person so I'm not going to be walking in with my mouth wide open.
Can you just sit near them and play and not even talk? I would love that.
Please tell me what it was like at your first session.
I've been to a session before (as an observer) because my cousin is a really repected player in rhode island but it seemed like they all really knew each other...
Thanks for the help.
P.S. I'm not planning on going to a session for a while but I want to be like mentally prepared or something.
# Posted on March 25th 2009 by Donagh17
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
I hesitate to say how it went at my first session, because it was a humiliating disaster. However, at my SECOND session, I said something like this. "hello, would it be all right if I joined your session? I'm kind of a beginner, so I promise to only play along on the tunes I know and sit off to the side here if it's alright."
I said this after I had already been listing a while, and observed the ebb and flow of the tunes and the players.
The folks welcomed me immediately, and after a while even asked if I wanted to start a tune. I plodded my way through some dreadful jigs, but was quickly supported by the more experienced players.
I know it's hard to walk right up to a group of strangers and introduce yourself, but it really is the best way to meet people. During my first dozen session experiences I was only told to "feck away off!" once - 1 out of 12 isn't too bad eh?
# Posted on March 25th 2009 by Jusa Nutter Eejit
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
Here are my thoughts. If you haven't been to the session before and you are a newbie, I'd just sit down with your instrument in the case and buy a pint and listen. Then you can see if they're playing tunes that you know. From there, maybe someone will invite you over or you can ask if you can join them.
Being friendly and polite goes a long way. Unfortunately (based on your comments), talking is almost as important as playing. And most all the people that play trad are great folks so you'll be missing out if you don't talk.
# Posted on March 25th 2009 by nofrets
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
I went to a session for a year and a half as a patron who loved good music. I had no intention of playing as I had not touched a guitar in 38 years. I started to play a session someone's house to learn a few tunes and purchased a very nice Martin guitar.
I brought to the session to show a friend of mine. Must to my surprise, the session leader stopped the session half way through and said, "Ted, I know you have a guitar with you and that you know the next set, so sit down and play with us." I was mortified, but I sat down and played the set. I decided to keep sitting and playing that night, and haven't stopped since.
Now, I play 4-5 sessions a week, and my playing has improved dramatically. I guess you could say I am session obsessed.
So, don't be afraid or shy, most people at the sessions I play welcome newbies as long as they try to learn the tunes, do not play tunes they don't know, and do no harm to the music.
Good Luck! When you start to play, you will like it more and more as time goes on. It is fun to play music with other musicians for people who appreciate good music.
# Posted on March 25th 2009 by Celtic Guitar
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
A session isn't anything really strange: it's a bunch of people getting together to enjoy themselves playing music. If you keep in mind that there's maybe eight or ten people there, and you're only one of them, and try to play such that everybody there has a good time, you're going to do fine. As you're just starting, that'll mean sitting out a lot of tunes that you don't know, resisting the urge to start tunes that you sort of know, and listening to some great music while you pick up a fragment here and there of what's going by you. But as Eejit and nofrets and Ted have said, if you come in with a friendly face and show some respect for the music, people will almost always respond with a lot of warmth.
# Posted on March 25th 2009 by Jon Kiparsky
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
Most sessions are friendly to N00Bz. Others, you might get pwnd. Just practice your skillz at home till they're...uh..mad.
# Posted on March 25th 2009 by Splendid Isolation
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
Yeah. That. Mad skills, and all that.
(who let him in?)
# Posted on March 25th 2009 by Jon Kiparsky
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
My strategy is to have enough of an internet presence that usually, when I come visit a new session, at least some of the people have heard of me, and usually some have seen some of my videos and have a sense of my playing. With any luck, they've been to San Diego and come to one of the sessions I host. Its been years since I walked into a session as a complete stranger, which is a very comforting way to have had things turn out.
# Posted on March 25th 2009 by Michael Eskin
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
Michael, the internet presence is hardly an option for the beginner I would think. At least I am assuming that a Newbie is not just new to the particular session but new to trad sessions in general.
# Posted on March 25th 2009 by Donough
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
It's like any other clique. If you're a great trad player who doesn't
make a big deal out of it, you'll be in immediately. If you're like me,
it'll take a couple of years
# Posted on March 25th 2009 by Hup
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
After sitting through the first session without playing a note, I
vowed never to do that again. So gradually I've played more and
more notes starting with session #2. It's taken hard work and
introspection since I'm a wind player trying to make Trad music
on a fiddle.
# Posted on March 25th 2009 by Hup
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
I visit various places and like to sit in on a session when I can. My approach is to use this site to try and make contact with someone before I turn up. I have found people to be really helpful in this way. Other than that, I just turn up and listen for a while. If I know a few of the tunes, I ask if it's a closed session or open to anyone and take it from there. Be prepared to sit out and listen if you don't know the tunes, some nights I can play all night, others I might only know a few tunes. Sometimes I never take my instrument out of its case if it's a seriously high standard or blisteringly fast paced (not always the same thing).
Locally, you can often find a session that is suited to your standard. It pays to try and play with better players than you and learn from them if they are willing.
# Posted on March 25th 2009 by len
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
Patrick91
My first real session was about 35 years ago in ODonahues(Sp?)in Dublin...i had a few tunes on me, but had moved over from england to change my english way of playing.I was welomed warmly as I recall.But I didn't play much, quietly if I did , but mostly listened & watchedBack then I couldn't sleep at night for the tunes buzzing in my head.But each time I went back, or to a different one I'd have a new tune or to, & snappier rolls
I co- run a couple sessions up here in NH now with box player Chris Stevens.We welcome anyone who comes in.They usualy ask if its cool & sit on in. & of course it is
Some people can keep up...some can't...like me at my first one.
I someone new or less able starts a tune abit slow, well play at that speed , but then its back up to tempo.
Its nice to see people show up, keep coming back & getting better.
But you got to get in there & keep going back, as long as its fun.
Who's the person in Rhode Island you mention...I know a few folk down that way
cheers
Roger Burridge
# Posted on March 25th 2009 by Roger B
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
I have been learning the tin whistle for a few months and still learning out of comhaltas books. the hardest part is throwing the book away and trying to memorise the tunes. trying to build up a repertoire of a few tunes so i can at least contribute to a session somewhat. it simply amazes me the hundreds of tunes people know by memory. after listening in on a few sessions now it is not session etiquette to bring a tunes book
# Posted on March 25th 2009 by bennym
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
Hey tommy, the trick to remembering tunes is to throw the book away.
# Posted on March 25th 2009 by llig leahcim
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
you can't "memorize' them anyway. it's a diff process.
# Posted on March 25th 2009 by skin&bow
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
Some people do though and can have an image of "the dots" in their head or, alternatively, memorise their finger positions.
The above seems very strange to be but this is what many people report!
Whenever I learn a tune from "the dots", it becomes more like "learning to play by ear" from myself' and once it is "in my head" I don't think about the written music at all.
Of course, there is a risk that you might be playing it wrong this way and learning the wrong tune from yourself... eg poor music reading skills or even a poor written version of the tune. That's why listening to other players is really important.
# Posted on March 25th 2009 by John J.
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
The best way to join a session is slowly. You say you are not planning on joining a session for a while - so start going as 'audience' now. Watch and learn. When they notice you coming regularly and taking an interest someone will talk to you (if the session is any good). Inevitably they will ask 'Do you play', and if you say 'yes' they will say 'why not bring your instrument along?' It's a lot easier to join in when you have been invited.
As to playing for the first time, my advice would be to not start stuff that the session plays, but choose a couple of fairly obscure tunes and learn them well. Start them in a lull, and hopefully one or two accompanist will pick you up, but the virtuosos won't take over. If you've been in the woodshed up to now, that should be thrill enough for one evening, so leave it at that. You'll probably want to carry on that way for a few weeks - not joining in the main session, but starting a tune or two of your own when the opertunity arises. Then you'll gradually start joining in with more and more tunes. But remember that listening is just as important as playing. Only join in tunes when you are confident that you know them well enough not to muck it up for everyone else. Don't try to compete in the reel-races on your first night! And above all, enjoy yourself.
# Posted on March 25th 2009 by skreech
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
Hi Patrick, best of luck to you. You'll have to bite the bullet and be a bit social. I know it's tough, but think of it this way. These people all love the same thing you do, the music. It's not really a group of strangers. There's a very powerful link there between you all, you all love the music.
There's a line from that movie "The Boys and the Girls from County Clare" that always stuck with me:
"...when you've got the music, you've got friends for life..."
# Posted on March 25th 2009 by SWFL Fiddler
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
Roger B - I'm pretty sure the poster is a cousin of J. Devine. Parents from Cavan ... (the birthplace of depression.) Hope you're doing well these days.
Certainly politeness and communication go a long way. Don't sit there with your instrument and not talk. People hate that; we go to a session for a social as well as musical experience. I think there's something wrong with playing a tune with someone who's name you don't know.
That "internet presence" thing is the most ridiculous bs I have ever heard. Seriously.
# Posted on March 25th 2009 by Chrishty
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
The "internet presence" thing is not ridiculous BS... Mr. Eskin's videos were how I learned my first tunes on the whistle. If I ever saw him, Ryan Duns, either of the Bachands, or PJ from Mallorca show up at my local session, I would certainly welcome them!
# Posted on March 25th 2009 by Pat Mustard
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
I don't know if I'd advise starting an obscure tune. When you play something that other people know, it's okay if you don't play it perfectly because other people are playing along with you. And I think it's more fun than playing solo! You do run the risk that someone will hurry the tempo, but most people know enough to keep it at the pace you choose. And then there's the danger of becoming the person who always plays tunes that nobody else knows---maybe nice for you, but not so nice for others who never get to join you.
# Posted on March 25th 2009 by kennedy
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
In our session we like the guys who always bring new tunes! That way we get to play new tunes, instead of just churning out the same old stuff.
But the real reason for suggesting starting with something unusual, is that if a newcomer picks a session tune that is simple enough for them to play confidently, it is almost certainly going to be one of the old standards that have been done to death. And boring people is not a good way to make friends.
# Posted on March 25th 2009 by skreech
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
So, Patrrick, I notice you have submitted 2 Discussions in the last few days, this one and "Where do I start (Traditional IRish)." One about how to get started in sessions, the other how to get started playing Irish music.
Rather than submit discussions, just get whatever instrument (s) you are most confortable with, and go to a session and listen and play the tunes that you can.
You said you have a relative who is a respected player. Why can't he or she help you get started? Seems the answer is right there.
# Posted on March 25th 2009 by Celtic Guitar
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
It's best not to go to your first session as an outsider. Go to the session without your instrument, introduce yourself to the people there. Tell them that you're just learning. Inevitably, they'll invite you to bring your instrument back, and that way, you're coming at it as an insider.
If you're lucky, someone at the session will take you under their wing, and guide you in what you need to know. Maybe take some lessons from a player in that session who plays the same instrument as you, and then they'll let you know when you're ready.
# Posted on March 25th 2009 by Reverend
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
Yes, you don't want to play the old warhorses all the time, but if it's a session with nice people (which is not always the case), the more experienced players are not going to look down their noses at someone who comes in for their first tune in a session and plays the Kesh jig. Or at least they shouldn't. The point is that the new person is having their first session playing experience, and everyone else can help them out by playing one tune with them. I think that's better than playing an obscure tune all by yourself just so you don't bore people.
We had a new player just last night who played a common hornpipe, and everyone joined, and it came out fine, and the person had a positive experience and will keep coming back. Isn't that the way it's supposed to be?
# Posted on March 25th 2009 by kennedy
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
"...more experienced players are not going to look down their noses at someone who comes in for their first tune in a session and plays the Kesh jig. Or at least they shouldn't."
Seriously, who are you to say what experienced players should or should not do in their own sessions? There is no "way it's supposed to be." Some sessions will welcome a beginnier playing the Kesh, and some in some sessions the "experienced players" (everyone in the session) will sit there and pretend they don't know it. In the latter case, the beginnier has stumbled upon a session where they don't belong (as a player) and don't have the common sense to figure that out for themselves. You can say that those "experienced musicians" are a##holes for doing that to a beginnier -- I say they are protecting a good session that's about people who have known each other for a long time playing good music together.
# Posted on March 25th 2009 by Chrishty
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
Well, Chrishty, I guess I was assuming that the beginner would have enough sense not to dive into an advanced level session---which is the reason others on this thread have recommended visiting any given session first to see what kind of music they play and what the people are like.
And as for your specific example, those players pretending they don't know a common tune are not "protecting a session". They're being unkind. There's no reason they can't play one single tune and then have a talk with the person afterward to give them advice on other sessions that might be more suitable, or pointers on what's expected. Any serious beginner would appreciate their generosity and take their advice on board.
# Posted on March 25th 2009 by kennedy
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
Christy, I have never quite appreciated "The Kesh Jig" or "The Butterfly Slip Jig" as much I will from this week on. I'll probably even be starting them.
# Posted on March 25th 2009 by Ben Steen
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
Oh, yeah, now I remember, Chrishty is the one who didn't want to play the Butterfly and was rude the the woman who asked for it. Let's just hope Patrick91 doesn't go to Chrishty's session.
Patrick, there are friendly sessions, and unfriendly sessions. Pull yourself out of your shell long enough to talk to a few people at your chosen session and figure out whether they're the friendly kind or not. You'll save yourself a lot of potential aggravation in the long run.
# Posted on March 25th 2009 by kennedy
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
Go on then, Random -- tear into them.
I can understand how a beginnier might classify sessions as "friendly" or "unfriendly." I think it would be better to say "beginner friendly." Some sessions are of a high standard and have been for many years. You could say that they are "unfriendly," but if you can play and fit in and have something interesting to say, you will find them to be quite friendly. As you pointed out, kennedy, one would hope that the beginner would have enough sense not to play in such sessions. Sadly, many beginners do not have so much common sense. Anyway, these sessions might not welcome beginners, but they are not unfriendly.
# Posted on March 25th 2009 by Chrishty
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
Really, it's just like meeting people of the opposite sex. All you have to do is memorize some good introductions. Here are a few to start you off:
"Is this an open jam, man?"
"Are you guys a band?"
"Hey cool! I'll go get my amp - be right back."
"Is this your beer?"
"Have you got any Irish in you? No? Would you like to have some?" (Whoops - wrong list.)
"What kind of music are you playing?"
"That's not Irish music - THAT'S F E C K I N' EGYPTIAN MUSIC!!!"
"Could you move over so I can sit next to the blonde girl playing the fiddle?"
"I just got this 'bod-ron' drum yesterday! Can I sit right behind you and give you the beat?"
And so on and so forth. It's quite easy once you get the hang of it.
# Posted on March 25th 2009 by Gzeg
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
Patrick - Hoo, boy, I could go on for pages about my early session experiences, but I'll try to keep it brief. I waded right in thinking that it would be like the old bluegrsss "jam sessions" and pick-up contra bands from days of yore. The first time was a humiliating disaster, as someone here aptly put it , and I got straightened out Real Fast, but in a kind way, as I already knew some of the folks, from the aforementioned Jams. It was with fear and trepidation that I forced myself to show up the next few times, but I soon discovered that I'd become part of a community ("...where's your guitar?" " ...where've you been? We haven't seen you in a while..."), just by being nice and asking good questions. Mind you, this particular session has a (possibly undeserved) reputation for being unfriendly. But, as has already been said, it just depends on the particular session, and even who's there that particular evening.
Start going ASAP, like tonight, just to listen a few times and get to know folks. Ask questions (I got ribbed a few times for "taking notes" - but whatever helps...).
You didn't mention in your bio where you live. That might help; someone may be able to point you to the right places.
You're in for a heckuva ride!
# Posted on March 25th 2009 by tomw
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
As an adult beginner with only a few years music-making under my belt, I can understand the intimidating feeling and the pressure of shyness. But the reality, I've discovered, is that most musicians are fairly friendly. You hear a few horror-stories, and on this site you read plenty of them, but don't go thinking that rudeness is the norm, or that there's some kind of esoteric code-of-conduct to be mastered (it's not like joining the freemasons). Yes, go and listen first; yes, introduce yourself before-hand, say you're a beginner, ask if you can join in. Take the plunge, and enjoy it!
# Posted on March 25th 2009 by Hammurabi Breathnach
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
Please humor me a moment whilst I stick a wee toe into the waters of support for the Butterfly hatin' Christy. I know there are high level sessions of dear friends who cherish their tunes years of playing together. I can appreciate that these folks do not want to spend an evening "baby-sitting" a newbie while they slog their way through a half-speed versions of Harvest Home etc..
Even still, there are tactful ways to let a newbie down easily and let them know the ground rules without crushing their spirit entirely. Chrishty, it wouldn't kill you to offer up some simple civility with your exclusionary gatherings. Furthermore, I would wager that 95% of most newbies would have the simple common sense not wade into your group unannounced anyway. Nearly everyone here has recommended "observing first."
# Posted on March 25th 2009 by Jusa Nutter Eejit
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
Speaking from my own experience, I would recommend sitting there quietly and listening and observing before you try to participate in a music jam session of any type.
# Posted on March 26th 2009 by fauxcelt
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
Hi there
I find some this thread rather amusing
OP asks what was it like at your first session?
Eskin you reply with an absolute cracker of an 'Internet Presence` Strategy
ie when you visit a new session you hope someone has already heard of you through your videos
You obviously missed by a...... mile....... the OP's question
As pointed out by the post from Donough
"Hardly an option for a beginner"
and further pointed out by Christy
"That Internet presence thing is the most ridiculous bullsh*t...etc"
In defence of this
Low whistler
You say it's not bullsh*t and you go on to mention that you learned tunes from those said videos and of course Michael would be welcome at your session
You also miss the OP's question by fanning Michael's ego!
Call it as it really is Michael, your `Internet strategy` has got nothing to do with being welcomed at sessions so that you don't have to introduce yourself
Your `Internet `strategy is to get a name for yourself as a respected trad musician / teacher and make some money on the side with your videos etc
Sounds a bit daft to me to spend possibly $2000 dollars on video equipment as you have as an `Introduction to sessions`
Just my opinion right enough...but there ya go!
As to the OP question;
My first session was daunting however I was invited by another musician so that helped break me in.
I do think if you just ask or enquire in a friendly way, perhaps someone who is in the session who goes to the bar for a drink.. well there is an opportunity to casually make an enquiry
Cheers
pkev
# Posted on March 26th 2009 by pkev
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
"That "internet presence" thing is the most ridiculous bs I have ever heard. Seriously."
Wow, you must not hear much ridiculous BS...
Works well enough for me...
# Posted on March 26th 2009 by Michael Eskin
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
Hey pkev, nice to see you! Hope things are going well for you.
My advice to any new player attending a session is be friendly, introduce yourself, be honest about being a new player, have a few tunes that you can play very well and wait until someone invites you to start a tune.
If they are gruff and nasty to you, f*ck 'em, go find another session where you will have an opportunity to participate. Don't take it personally, some people are just a$$holes and you probably don't want to spend your time with them anyway.
There are all kinds of people in the world, some like to share and be inclusive, some live in closed little cliques, this music is no different.
Find a group that will welcome you, keep in mind that you are a new person coming from outside into someone else's party and at first people will want to figure out your skills and ability.
Being friendly and respectful will go a long way.
# Posted on March 26th 2009 by Michael Eskin
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
Thinking some more about pkev and Chrishty's comments, in spite of their cheery commentary, there is definitely value in using the web, email, and social media sites like Twitter and Facebook to take some of edge off of being a first timer at a session.
See if the session you are attending has a web page, or an online email contact. Might be a link on the venue's website, or a weekly music/entertainment newspaper that lists weekly sessions and jams. Send that person an email expressing your interest in attending the session. Tell them about your interest in the music and ask questions about how open the session is to beginners. You'll get some sense for what you may be walking into, and most importantly, someone at the session will know who you are, even if its just "some guy who was asking about the session". There is real value in establishing a relationship <before> ever playing a tune. That has certainly been the case here in San Diego, we have new players showing up at our sessions, and often times I get an email to the effect of "I'm new in town, just started playing Irish music. I found your name on the web, what can you tell me about the local sessions." Then when they come to one of our sessions that is beginner friendly, we generally know a little about them and can very quickly get them integrated into the scene...
# Posted on March 26th 2009 by Michael Eskin
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
I love this website.
# Posted on March 26th 2009 by Pomme de Terre
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
I am a newbie myself and just wanted to say that some of what was said in this thread reflects my experience.
I'd go in there with extra-large helpings of courage and humility, and plan to sit and listen most of the night. You will have to at least introduce yourself and I think it's best to ask if you can have a seat (though at our session it's fine to just come in and sit - it's advertised as an 'open session').
The third time is easier than the first and second.
I'd echo the advice to not start a tune unless you're asked to (chances are you will be)...but be prepared with at least a few confident tunes if you can. Our session is small and I've learned the hard way that I'd best be prepared with a half-dozen tunes, and not always the same tunes as the week before. Better to run out of tunes and decline the offer than muckle through something you only half-know.
Another bit of advice: Stay in tune and stay in tempo.
If you wait long enough, they might play something you know. If you pack up your instrument early, Murphy's Law will prevail.
Try to learn tunes that you recognize from hearing often at your session. I believe the folks I play with appreciate that I have made the effort to learn some of their favorites, and it means I get to play more often because these are tunes the others like to start. Also it's been good for me to push my speed at home to try to get up to the speed that some of the regulars like to play at (which, for me, is FAST - but I am getting better at it!). I think both of those things are helping me fit in.
Also, if you're easily intimidated, you might not want to Google your session-mates. (Learned that one the hard way also! Yikes.)
I went to our session just to listen at least a half-dozen times before I went to participate. I did some people-watching to get a sense of personalities, styles, and names. It helped me feel like it wasn't a table full of strangers (even though it was).
For me, it took a long time to feel comfortable, and I'm still pretty self-conscious and nervous, but it's getting easier and I'm starting to feel like I fit in. Going over and over has helped. I've been playing at our session weekly for about 2 months now.
Enjoy the ride.
# Posted on March 26th 2009 by worthy
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
Haha, on last dec. 31st some piper played (or tried to play) Morning Trush... I followed along on the whistle, and then the piper turned to me and said "Ah, did you learn this from Michael Eskin?". Sigh... I'm gonna blame the internet for that one
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by Azalin
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
Cool!
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by Michael Eskin
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
Yeah mission accomplished Michael, a bunch of noobs venerate their God
It's just annoying for some of us who wish these guys would get their music from a real source. No disrespect intended. I think you're an okay player, but I'd say you're still not on the tip of the iceberg.
# Posted on March 27th 2009 by Azalin
Re: So when you go to a session how do you just like "show up" (newbie question)
Azalin,
I agree, I'm just climbing out of the water using the iceberg analogy. I also agree that anyone learning a tune should try to seek out the original source if possible, not rely on just my site, god forbid! That's certainly what I do when learning tunes. I hope you pointed the piper to a Seamus Ennis recording to get the "real stuff"! I should add that to our videos, where we originally learned the tunes...
Michael
# Posted on March 28th 2009 by Michael Eskin