I think that it's Irish, but I'm not sure whether it's a tune in its own right, or just the melody of a song.
I can only recall the first part of it (see abc below), and even that may not be accurate. But hopefully enough for any who does know it to supply me with the title!
BTW, I've never heard it played at a session, but I seem to remember hearing a recording many years ago of someone "diddling" the tune: diddley aye, dye dye etc ...
I remember it as 'The Mad March Hare' and it was a song starting off - eye die die diddly eye diddly eye etc.
No wind up, dated in the late forties/early fifties.
Yeah, my tune search comes up with a couple of interesting possibilities when you use the Contour Search, including the March Hare, as ragaman suggests, and also http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/5777
The search algorithm has a bit of trouble with tunes that have the rhythm notated in like that. It basically ignores all of that notation, but some people will write that kind of rhythm very differently, so it's not always the most accurate with this stuff. (Although, if you look at the way the March Hare is notated, it found that, even though it is notated with note lengths instead of > marks...)
I'm sure that the music is called the March Hare from the 1956 film of the same name- 'The March Hare' featuring Terence Morgan and Peggy Cummings. I remember it was a well played tune on radio in the fifties.
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/753 and http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/5777 are pretty much the same tune, except that the B and C parts are swapped around, and the latter lacks the modulation in its B part that is in the corresponding (C) part of the former - and the first two bars of its C part are a 3rd lower (relative to the key, which is also different) that those of the corresponding (B) part of the former.
When I was a student, and a newcomer to traditional music, the band I was playing with (cut us some slack - we didn't know any better) were asked to accompany aselection of irish songs as part of a recital of songs of the 'Celtic' nations (Ireland, Scotland and Wales), by a classical music student, the girlfriend of a member of the band. The March Hare was one of the songs she sang, coming out of a book of Irish songs, written out complete with 'words' ("diddly-ide-oodle" etc.). The tune, as I remember it was pretty much the version posted here http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/753 .
With an audience consisting largely of music students and lecturers, I don't think I've ever been so nervous (although probably not half as nervous as the singer herself) - I forgot the running order and launched into a guitar intro, while the poor singer was preparing herself for an unaccompanied song. She kept her composure as if nothing had happened (I didn't even realise what I'd done until my bandmates scolded me afterwards - just as well, or I'd have gone to pieces), until the after the recital, when she burst into tears. I don't think we ever spoke again after that. I hope she's forgiven me.
Ironic that it happened to be a mad day in March when I asked about it!
Sorry Rev, that I hadn't used your tune search facility, or indeed any other tune search facility.
It's just that when asking about tunes, I prefer to ask human beings - albeit "virtual" human beings, in the case of questions to thesession.org.
Doing it the other way, I wouldn't have had the benefit all those interesting snippets and anecdotes. I especially liked your anecdote, ragaman!
As I hope that you can now see, P-K, my thread wasn't a wind-up at all. Of course (as and when you make it to the Vaults session), I would be more than happy to accept a free pint from you by way of an apology .....
Starring Peggy Cummins, Terence Morgan, Martita Hunt, Cyril Cusack, Wilfrid Hyde-White, Derrick de Marney
Story set in Ireland about a racehorse that receives encouragement from a magic word delivered by the "Little People".
Well, Mix- obviously I'd never have spoken to you if I'd known you were poor. Never mind. http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/1922
This repartee lark is a great way for learning new tunes, ain't it?
Ah, indeed- would that I were so rich either way, tunes or dosh. Fortunately, there you have chosen a tune that I do (sort of) know. Look forward to playing it together some time!
Help needed with tune ID, please
Help needed with tune ID, please
Can anyone tell me the name of this tune please?
I think that it's Irish, but I'm not sure whether it's a tune in its own right, or just the melody of a song.
I can only recall the first part of it (see abc below), and even that may not be accurate. But hopefully enough for any who does know it to supply me with the title!
X:1
T:Gan Ainm
M:4/4
L:1/8
K:EMin
G>F | E2 B2 B2 A>B | G>AF>G E>FE>D |
E>DE>F G>FG>A | B2 d2 d>cB>A |
E2 B2 B2 A>B | G>AF>G E>F (3GFE |
G>A (3BAG F>G (3AGF | E2 E2 E2 |
# Posted on March 23rd 2009 by Mix O'Lydian
Re: Help needed with tune ID, please
Obviously a wind-up ;)
# Posted on March 23rd 2009 by Here Lyeth
Re: Help needed with tune ID, please
Absolutely not, P-K.
Not on this occasion, anyway!
# Posted on March 23rd 2009 by Mix O'Lydian
Re: Help needed with tune ID, please
Sounds a bit like Rodney's Glory but not quite
# Posted on March 23rd 2009 by RichardB
Re: Help needed with tune ID, please
No, definitely not "Rodney's Glory", RichardB, although I can see what you mean as the notes of the melody are concerned.
But the rhythmic structure of this one, although still a "hornpipe", is considerably different.
But thanks, anyway!
# Posted on March 23rd 2009 by Mix O'Lydian
Re: Help needed with tune ID, please
BTW, I've never heard it played at a session, but I seem to remember hearing a recording many years ago of someone "diddling" the tune: diddley aye, dye dye etc ...
Does that help?
# Posted on March 23rd 2009 by Mix O'Lydian
Re: Help needed with tune ID, please
Mix- have you tried it on Rev Pete's ABC finder?
http://www.abctunesearch.com/
Could be The Lilting Banshee, of course...
# Posted on March 23rd 2009 by Here Lyeth
Mad as a....
It sounds like this one:
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/753
# Posted on March 23rd 2009 by CreadurMawnOrganig
Re: Help needed with tune ID, please
I remember it as 'The Mad March Hare' and it was a song starting off - eye die die diddly eye diddly eye etc.
No wind up, dated in the late forties/early fifties.
# Posted on March 23rd 2009 by Lurcherjohn
Re: Help needed with tune ID, please
Yeah, my tune search comes up with a couple of interesting possibilities when you use the Contour Search, including the March Hare, as ragaman suggests, and also http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/5777
The search algorithm has a bit of trouble with tunes that have the rhythm notated in like that. It basically ignores all of that notation, but some people will write that kind of rhythm very differently, so it's not always the most accurate with this stuff. (Although, if you look at the way the March Hare is notated, it found that, even though it is notated with note lengths instead of > marks...)
# Posted on March 23rd 2009 by Reverend
Re: Help needed with tune ID, please
The wonders of the internet informs me there is a George Formby song called The Mad March Hare but the Amazon sample doesn't include the bit of tune I remember:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Mad-March-Hare/dp/B001LLAZY8/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=dmusic&qid=1237815806&sr=8-4
# Posted on March 23rd 2009 by Lurcherjohn
Re: Help needed with tune ID, please
I'm sure that the music is called the March Hare from the 1956 film of the same name- 'The March Hare' featuring Terence Morgan and Peggy Cummings. I remember it was a well played tune on radio in the fifties.
# Posted on March 23rd 2009 by Free Reed
Re: Help needed with tune ID, please
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/753 and
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/5777 are pretty much the same tune, except that the B and C parts are swapped around, and the latter lacks the modulation in its B part that is in the corresponding (C) part of the former - and the first two bars of its C part are a 3rd lower (relative to the key, which is also different) that those of the corresponding (B) part of the former.
When I was a student, and a newcomer to traditional music, the band I was playing with (cut us some slack - we didn't know any better) were asked to accompany aselection of irish songs as part of a recital of songs of the 'Celtic' nations (Ireland, Scotland and Wales), by a classical music student, the girlfriend of a member of the band. The March Hare was one of the songs she sang, coming out of a book of Irish songs, written out complete with 'words' ("diddly-ide-oodle" etc.). The tune, as I remember it was pretty much the version posted here http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/753 .
With an audience consisting largely of music students and lecturers, I don't think I've ever been so nervous (although probably not half as nervous as the singer herself) - I forgot the running order and launched into a guitar intro, while the poor singer was preparing herself for an unaccompanied song. She kept her composure as if nothing had happened (I didn't even realise what I'd done until my bandmates scolded me afterwards - just as well, or I'd have gone to pieces), until the after the recital, when she burst into tears. I don't think we ever spoke again after that. I hope she's forgiven me.
# Posted on March 23rd 2009 by CreadurMawnOrganig
Re: Help needed with tune ID, please
The Alexander Brothers do it here with The Irish Washerwoman, to which it seems to bear some family resemblance.
http://www.last.fm/music/The+Alexander+Brothers/_/March+Hare%2C+The+Irish+Washerwoman
# Posted on March 23rd 2009 by Here Lyeth
Re: Help needed with tune ID, please
Interestingly, the only reference to a tune of that name in the Fiddler's Companion is to a jig:-
MARCH HARE, THE. English, Jig. D Major. Standard tuning. AABB. Raven (English Country Dance Tunes), 1984; pg. 122.
X:1
T:March Hare, The
M:6/8
L:1/8
R:Jig
K:D
A/G/ | FAA BAA | dAA BAA | FAA dfe | edB B2 A/G/ | FAA BAA |
dAA BAA dff afe | dBB B2 :: f | fbb faa | fbb afe | fbb faa |
fga gfe | fbb faa | fbb afe | def afe | dBB B2 :|
# Posted on March 23rd 2009 by Here Lyeth
Re: Help needed with tune ID, please
Well, thank you one and all ...
... The (Mad) March Hare it is !
Ironic that it happened to be a mad day in March when I asked about it!
Sorry Rev, that I hadn't used your tune search facility, or indeed any other tune search facility.
It's just that when asking about tunes, I prefer to ask human beings - albeit "virtual" human beings, in the case of questions to thesession.org.
Doing it the other way, I wouldn't have had the benefit all those interesting snippets and anecdotes. I especially liked your anecdote, ragaman!
As I hope that you can now see, P-K, my thread wasn't a wind-up at all. Of course (as and when you make it to the Vaults session), I would be more than happy to accept a free pint from you by way of an apology .....
# Posted on March 23rd 2009 by Mix O'Lydian
Re: Help needed with tune ID, please
On this link ....
http://www.aoh61.com/movie.htm
... it says:
The March Hare(1955)
Starring Peggy Cummins, Terence Morgan, Martita Hunt, Cyril Cusack, Wilfrid Hyde-White, Derrick de Marney
Story set in Ireland about a racehorse that receives encouragement from a magic word delivered by the "Little People".
# Posted on March 23rd 2009 by Mix O'Lydian
Re: Help needed with tune ID, please
You could watch the film here:
http://www.fancast.com/movies/The-March-Hare/56367/full-movie
... but it says that it's "currently unavailable".
# Posted on March 23rd 2009 by Mix O'Lydian
Re: Help needed with tune ID, please
The March Hare jig cited by P-K is pretty well the same as The Connaughtman's Rambles.
# Posted on March 23rd 2009 by nicholas
Re: Help needed with tune ID, please
Mix- will that be before or after the free pint I accept from you by way of welcome to the Vaults session?
# Posted on March 23rd 2009 by Here Lyeth
Re: Help needed with tune ID, please
P-K - if you get there around 8:30, you can certainly have a free pint .
You can buy me one later in the evening (after the tab has run out) ...
# Posted on March 23rd 2009 by Mix O'Lydian
Re: Help needed with tune ID, please
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/2035
Who says the tune section is no use?
# Posted on March 23rd 2009 by Here Lyeth
Lions & Tigers & ht tp://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/____
The tune section is very dangerous!
# Posted on March 23rd 2009 by Ben Steen
Re: Help needed with tune ID, please
Couldn't be applicable in my case, P-K ...
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display.php/1974
... anyway, as I recall, it was you who wanted to have the first free pint ....
# Posted on March 24th 2009 by Mix O'Lydian
Re: Help needed with tune ID, please
Well, Mix- obviously I'd never have spoken to you if I'd known you were poor. Never mind.
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/1922
This repartee lark is a great way for learning new tunes, ain't it?
# Posted on March 24th 2009 by Here Lyeth
Re: Help needed with tune ID, please
Well, P-K - maybe poor in terms of wordly goods, but more than made up for by richness of knowledge ....
Learning new tunes? I was under the impression that you knew them all ! Including this one:
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/1578
# Posted on March 24th 2009 by Mix O'Lydian
Re: Help needed with tune ID, please
Ah, indeed- would that I were so rich either way, tunes or dosh. Fortunately, there you have chosen a tune that I do (sort of) know. Look forward to playing it together some time!
# Posted on March 24th 2009 by Here Lyeth
Re: Help needed with tune ID, please
Ah, but you would have to get to a session first, P-K. It's not doing you much good lurking out there in the sticks.
Sticks are only for bodhrans. Or maybe to beat people with - especially those who accuse me of being a wind-up merchant!
# Posted on March 24th 2009 by Mix O'Lydian
Re: Help needed with tune ID, please
Now who was it who posted this?http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/8795
I rest my case
# Posted on March 24th 2009 by Here Lyeth
Re: Help needed with tune ID, please
I believe that it was posted by someone who has submitted a fair number of tunes to thesession, P-K.
It's very unwise to "rest your case" until you have checked the facts ...
In contrast to someone who hasn't yet posted a single tune ...
Rest your case?
... There is no session.org member with the username: "Bob Bins" ....
# Posted on March 24th 2009 by Mix O'Lydian