Recently, I read on a flyer which was everyone's windshield in a parking lot, that St. Patrick was a vegetarian. I know, "don't believe everything that you read," but is there possibly any truth to this, or is it just a bunch of muck.
Qccepting the premise that the Historical St. PAtrick was the same St. Patrick that is celebrated, his diet would have been more agrarian than not. However, given the historical time frame, the fact that he was supposedly a slave or at least an indentured servant of some time would have meant he would have been willing to eat anything that came his way.
No disrespect intended. The Patrick Story/legend/history is quite interesting in terms of evangalization for those with that historical bent.
Stoopid question. What do you mean: a vegan? Lacto-vegetetarian? Pesco-lacto-vegetarian? Pesky lactating pain in the whole, preaching veggie?
Define your terms. A wee while back a thread came up about politics in Irish music, and one tongue in cheek answer came back, in reference to defining terms, asking, was jesus a socialist? Dumb, innit, when you think of it like that. You can only be a vegetarian as you define it, and I doubt the term "vegetarian" was around in those days, so he couldn't have been.
He and his captors -- or was it his liberators -- ate a pig when they made landfall after crossing the Irish Sea, so the story goes. More important, why all the corned beef etc. in the middle of Lent? Why corned beef of all things? That stuff aught to scare anyone over to a vegitarian diet.
It would take a lot more than corned beef to make me veggie. Imagine never eating a rare steak or pink lamb, phew, I'm going to stick on music from big pink, we can talk, to kingdom come, in a station about the weight.
Yes he was and he only ate shamrock. I wish he'd stayed the hell out of Ireland. The druids weren't bad enough. He had to show up with some silly Jewish cult. Of course, more fools us for listening to his nonsense.
bn
I know it's an American thing. The boiled meals sold in the big city streets of 19th C America were affordable to the poorest immigrants. That much I know. How did this food become enshrined as part of this particular saint's day, which happens to fall in Lent anyway?
Jon, chocolate is a Lenten fare, in fact; therefore it's more than appropriate to eat chocolate all the Lent through.
In 1569, Mexican bishops sent a sample of chocolate drink to the pope Pius V, as they were concerned if it is a Lenten fare or not (already at that time many preachers were getting addicted to it). When the pope tasted the drink, he said that something that awful does not break Lent.
As to the chocolate in solid forms, there was a heated debate between jesuits ("chocolate saves your soul!") and dominicans ("chocolates sends you to hell!") in the 17th century. The debate was so heated that they had to refer to the judgement of a cardinal, who, in his celestial wisdom, decided that chocolate is good for your spiritual life.
Therefore you do not need to fear for your immortality, when you nick into the shop and pop a bar of chocolate.
However, if you pop into the shop and nick a bar of chocolate, the situation is very different.
On the Southside of Chicago, we have our local Irish Butcher, Winstons that does wonderful Irish bacon, sausage and black/white pud.
The pud seems to be seasoned a bit different from what we were accustomed to when we visited Ireland. but is it very good. Oddly, on our last trip there the year before last, the lady who owned the place we stayed did not serve pud. She said no one ate it and she threw away most of what she made.
In the US, we have more trouble finding good Irish tea. Most places serve/sell Liptons and such which is the scrapings from the cutting room floor.
Impossible to find in the US is good course brown flour for the brown soda bread. The domestic brown flour is ground superfine so the bread comes out like Wonder bread. The one brand that is imported is also very finely ground. So we end up 'reconstituting it' with course grains which is a pain in the butt, but the results are good.
Herself and I go out for breakfast on Saturday morning....our regular date of the week at our stage of maturity. I have been trying to get her to the Heartland Cafe for the Marxist literature and organic/vegertarian fare.
She prefers Winston's neighbor, the Ashford House, in Tinley Park beacuse it is one of the few places that makes a 'proper' pot of tea and will make a a grilled tomato with her poached eggs. (Several waitresses have a brogue, but the hostess is Polish!)
Was St. Patrick a vegetarian?
Was St. Patrick a vegetarian?
Recently, I read on a flyer which was everyone's windshield in a parking lot, that St. Patrick was a vegetarian. I know, "don't believe everything that you read," but is there possibly any truth to this, or is it just a bunch of muck.
# Posted on March 17th 2009 by Leendah
Re: Was St. Patrick a vegetarian?
Qccepting the premise that the Historical St. PAtrick was the same St. Patrick that is celebrated, his diet would have been more agrarian than not. However, given the historical time frame, the fact that he was supposedly a slave or at least an indentured servant of some time would have meant he would have been willing to eat anything that came his way.
No disrespect intended. The Patrick Story/legend/history is quite interesting in terms of evangalization for those with that historical bent.
# Posted on March 17th 2009 by zippydw
Re: Was St. Patrick a vegetarian?
Sounds like propaganda to me... vegetarianism is wonderful... I love vegetables, but its to bad some make a religion of it
# Posted on March 17th 2009 by The Merry Highlander
Re: Was St. Patrick a vegetarian?
Stoopid question. What do you mean: a vegan? Lacto-vegetetarian? Pesco-lacto-vegetarian? Pesky lactating pain in the whole, preaching veggie?
Define your terms. A wee while back a thread came up about politics in Irish music, and one tongue in cheek answer came back, in reference to defining terms, asking, was jesus a socialist? Dumb, innit, when you think of it like that. You can only be a vegetarian as you define it, and I doubt the term "vegetarian" was around in those days, so he couldn't have been.
# Posted on March 17th 2009 by Rudall the time
Re: Was St. Patrick a vegetarian?
He and his captors -- or was it his liberators -- ate a pig when they made landfall after crossing the Irish Sea, so the story goes. More important, why all the corned beef etc. in the middle of Lent? Why corned beef of all things? That stuff aught to scare anyone over to a vegitarian diet.
# Posted on March 17th 2009 by Atahualpa Quigley
Re: Was St. Patrick a vegetarian?
It would take a lot more than corned beef to make me veggie. Imagine never eating a rare steak or pink lamb, phew, I'm going to stick on music from big pink, we can talk, to kingdom come, in a station about the weight.
# Posted on March 18th 2009 by strayaway
Re: Was St. Patrick a vegetarian?
Yes he was and he only ate shamrock. I wish he'd stayed the hell out of Ireland. The druids weren't bad enough. He had to show up with some silly Jewish cult. Of course, more fools us for listening to his nonsense.
bn
# Posted on March 18th 2009 by Burnt Nial
Re: Was St. Patrick a vegetarian?
Come to think of it, if he was Welsh, as some claim,
then he probably only ever ate leeks, so maybe he was a veggie after all...
# Posted on March 18th 2009 by Rudall the time
Re: Was St. Patrick a vegetarian?
I think the corned beef is more an American thing, borrowed from Jewish neighbors by newly-arrived immigrants.
# Posted on March 18th 2009 by fidkid
Re: Was St. Patrick a vegetarian?
I know it's an American thing. The boiled meals sold in the big city streets of 19th C America were affordable to the poorest immigrants. That much I know. How did this food become enshrined as part of this particular saint's day, which happens to fall in Lent anyway?
# Posted on March 18th 2009 by Atahualpa Quigley
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And while we're on Lent, isn't it odd that Easter chocolates are all over the stores all through Lent? Is this God testing the renunciants?
# Posted on March 18th 2009 by Jon Kiparsky
Re: Was St. Patrick a vegetarian?
Jon, chocolate is a Lenten fare, in fact; therefore it's more than appropriate to eat chocolate all the Lent through.
In 1569, Mexican bishops sent a sample of chocolate drink to the pope Pius V, as they were concerned if it is a Lenten fare or not (already at that time many preachers were getting addicted to it). When the pope tasted the drink, he said that something that awful does not break Lent.
As to the chocolate in solid forms, there was a heated debate between jesuits ("chocolate saves your soul!") and dominicans ("chocolates sends you to hell!") in the 17th century. The debate was so heated that they had to refer to the judgement of a cardinal, who, in his celestial wisdom, decided that chocolate is good for your spiritual life.
Therefore you do not need to fear for your immortality, when you nick into the shop and pop a bar of chocolate.
However, if you pop into the shop and nick a bar of chocolate, the situation is very different.
But this is a story for another sermon.
# Posted on March 18th 2009 by Janek
Re: Was St. Patrick a vegetarian?
He wasn't Welsh,he was a Brython.
# Posted on March 18th 2009 by dafydd
Re: Was St. Patrick a vegetarian?
are der any foodies out der who can tell me why der's no rashers herein tha US?can we set up a pork cartel?the canadanian bacon just doesn't make it
# Posted on March 18th 2009 by pipewatcher
Re: Was St. Patrick a vegetarian?
Try this again.
On the Southside of Chicago, we have our local Irish Butcher, Winstons that does wonderful Irish bacon, sausage and black/white pud.
The pud seems to be seasoned a bit different from what we were accustomed to when we visited Ireland. but is it very good. Oddly, on our last trip there the year before last, the lady who owned the place we stayed did not serve pud. She said no one ate it and she threw away most of what she made.
In the US, we have more trouble finding good Irish tea. Most places serve/sell Liptons and such which is the scrapings from the cutting room floor.
Impossible to find in the US is good course brown flour for the brown soda bread. The domestic brown flour is ground superfine so the bread comes out like Wonder bread. The one brand that is imported is also very finely ground. So we end up 'reconstituting it' with course grains which is a pain in the butt, but the results are good.
# Posted on March 18th 2009 by zippydw
Re: Was St. Patrick a vegetarian?
Legend has it that he ate all the snakes in ireland.
# Posted on March 18th 2009 by CreadurMawnOrganig
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Yes.
# Posted on March 18th 2009 by Dennis Regan
Re: Was St. Patrick a vegetarian?
zippy you might have to head up to Evanston or Rogers Park for
that hippy stuff
# Posted on March 19th 2009 by Hup
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Did that many years ago.
Herself and I go out for breakfast on Saturday morning....our regular date of the week at our stage of maturity. I have been trying to get her to the Heartland Cafe for the Marxist literature and organic/vegertarian fare.
She prefers Winston's neighbor, the Ashford House, in Tinley Park beacuse it is one of the few places that makes a 'proper' pot of tea and will make a a grilled tomato with her poached eggs. (Several waitresses have a brogue, but the hostess is Polish!)
# Posted on March 19th 2009 by zippydw
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Oh and I can get black/white pud, bangers, Irish sausage, fried eggs and beans
A heart attack on a plate...and certainly not on most Vegetarians diet.
# Posted on March 19th 2009 by zippydw