Hi everyone. I have searched the sessions section and looked on other websites as well, but have found nothing.
Anyone know of any sessions in Cornwall, England? I will be there from the very end of August through the first couple of weeks in September. It seems I once heard something about a session in a place called the Star Pub (I think) in St. Just, but have not been able to confirm this. If anyone knows of anything say so here, but post it in the sessions section so Jeremy will know we follow the rules! Thanks.
Andee, I've been to a session in St Just. I think it was the Star alright. Unfortunately it was about ten years ago! Better luck with your next caller.
Type in Cornwall in the first search section and you'll a couple of dozen links. Although they're not individually of any terrific value, I'm sure that some of the people/organisations mentioned may be able to give you some up-to-the-minute leads!
And try this (it gives the phone number of The Star)
i'm in Berkshire and not Cornwall but I have a connection down there and I have it on authority that The Star in St Just is about the best Irish Trad sesh ye'll find down there. 1st thursday of every month in the Boat House in Falmouth then it floats about the following thursday (excuse THAT pun won't ya) so you have to be in the know really but once you find it and exchange no's ye'll be grand. Nick Scott (great piper who plays wi Last Nights Fun) also hosts a sesh in Bow (nr Crediton) in South Devon.
If you want to contact me I can put ye in touch with my mate Doug down there. It's a case of if there's enough muso's around then a sesh can be organised lastminute.com style. All the best, Ian
Hey, quick somebody, before the swingeing axe comes down!! My own wrists are still stinging from the slap I got last week, for the same misdemeanour...
Seriously though - there are some flaws in the perfect-world, all-sessions-in-the-database scenario.
For example, I get the feeling that people don't like to post sessions in the database unless they go to the session regularly, know for a fact that it's still running, feel happy that the other regulars would be happy for it to be advertised, feel happy about giving it an honest description, etc. It's a bit like the proviso that you shouldn't post tunes unless you, personally, play them regularly at a real live session.
Until we got down to Ian in this discussion (hello Ian, how's it going?) we were dealing with vague rumours and helpful suggestions. And what's wrong with that, really? It's not the same as a database and can't really be replicated by a database.
Secondly, people might be encouraged to post the sessions in there, but how about updating their entries later on? Less likely. I know that some of the stuff in there is out of date, so therefore, can't rely on the data and would prefer to ask people in real time.
It does seem odd that, given the subject matter of the site, we can't swap info about real life sessions except within a certain set of very particular rules.
Can we maybe have a democratic discussion about it, at least?
Oh, and back to the subject - they used to have sessions at the Blue Anchor in Helston, you could try ringing them to see if they still do. But I guess Ian's friend Doug will know.
See, further to my previous point - that's just a potential lead, not a bona-fide current session that I know about. It could still prove useful to Andee, for all I know. Likewise the links and suggestions and old-remembered sessions in Liverpool that people mentioned when I asked. All that stuff is useful... but it's impossible to discuss that type of thing with the Database-Only rule. There are other kinds of information than Certified Hard Information.
Surely it would be a good thing if Andee found a session to go to in Cornwall, by whatever method?
Sorry to kick up about it, Jeremy. But having spoken to some other people about this issue, I conclude that I'm not the only person who finds it frustrating. I'd really like to know what other people think about it.
Och well, I have loads of work to do yet and it's the hottest day ever in the history of the Western World or something, and here I am in the office still. Better get back to the tedium at hand...
So should I just dump the sessions section altogether then?
I appreciate that some of the session information is out of date but it's not like people can't update the information. I've provided all the tools so that the person who submitted the session can update the schedule and anybody can add a comment e.g. "this session is no longer active" or "is this session still active?". What more can I do?
I'll let request-for-session discussions stand but I really, really, really, really would appreciate it if people would post information about sessions to the sessions section as well.
Otherwise, every few months people will be asking "Anybody know of any sessions in [insert place here, e.g. Cornwall]" because their search of the sessions section came up blank and all the information about Cornwall sessions exists in the discussions section where it worse than useless to future seekers of sessions.
I'll try to implement a "request a session" feature, similar to the "request a tune" feature. If I can get that off the ground, then there will be no cause for these kinds of "discussions". In the meantime, I'll let these discussions stand.
i appreciate what you say,Jeremy,but i think if it's not your regular session it might be a bit forward in sticking all the details on the net - the people who go there may not appreciate such info being readily available,for whatever reason.in much the same way as some people are wary about giving out their phone numbers etc so i think this sort of thread is valid.
that said,it's your game and i think your last suggestion is as good a solution as any
best wishes
I think it's wise, before you post details of a session, to get a consensus of opinion from the regulars (at least) that it's ok to post. If anyone raises hard objections, then drop the idea. Perhaps that's why there are actually far more sessions around than get posted.
Trevor
A further point. Shouldn't the pub landlord should be part of the equation? If he has set aside room for, say, 10 players he may not be overjoyed if the word gets around and the number balloons to 20.
Trevor
Thanks everyone for all the leads! And thanks Jeremy for letting this discussion and others like it stand for now. That way I can look at all the info tomorrow. I just got home from a very long day and am too tired to go through it all, but wanted to thank all you guys!
From some of the other comments on this thread, I think it's fair to say that people - or some, or even most, people - don't feel happy about posting a session unless they are a stalwart member of it and are sure that it's appropriate to do so. Which seems quite right. So that is one impediment to a fully-filled session database. Whereas, it's OK to say in passing 'you might try the So-and-So Arms' or 'I'll put you in touch with my friend Dave'.
The problem with having a 'request a session' feature is that nobody will see it unless they're in the session section, which they won't be unless they're actively seeking or posting a session. I only look in there rarely, but I come onto the Discussions page almost every day, sad case that I am. I imagine that's a common pattern. So if session requests get banished to a special place in the sessions section, there won't be much point in posting them, particularly at short notice, because so many fewer people will see them.
I do understand the logic behind your preference, Jeremy. But I think that the community on a board may show a preference for doing something in a different way from the one that was initially envisaged, and sometimes things have to go with the flow.
When I was moderating boards for the BBC, in spite of the behemoth nature of the beast, we still did try to take the users view into account and would change things accordingly when we were able. Because you never quite know how a community will develop, however you design things at the outset.
That's why I vote for *not* having a sessions request function - I don't think it will solve the problem. Don't know if many people will respond to this thread now, but I'd like to know what other people think about this.
By the way, Andee - where are you going in Cornwall? I recommend a magical beach called Kynance Cove, it's quite near to Land's End if I remember right. Gorgeous pale sand and mysterious rock formations, it's quite hidden away... beautiful.
Helen, I agree with your analysis of the "posting sessions" problem. As I think I've mentioned elsewhere, posting a session should not only be done by a regular, but done with the concensus permission of the other members of the session. And perhaps the landlord should be involved, too; a sudden increase in numbers could cause logistical and other problems in the pub.
Trevor
Rosenun--your point is well taken! last time I was there I saw a sign graffitii-ed over with the words, "Brits go home!" Or something quite close to that!!
Helen--Thanks for the tip--I will search out Kynance Cove on my ordnance survey map. I will mostly be in the West Penwith area exploring the ancient sacred sites, stone circles and the like (my 2nd biggest obsession after Irish music!).
I was thinking of hitting Cornwall (with my fiddle) the weekend before my conference in London 12 Sept - walking and fiddling hopefully. Loved the tips and the discussions above! Thanks. will maybe go to Kynance Cove...
Notice the date on the original contributors offering ~ 2003... A lot can change and usually does... A few folks I knew down in Cornwall, were movers and shakers in the dance and music world there, are no more, sadly, and others have moved on... Here's some other options ~
Click on the side bar for Sessions: http://www.thesession.org/sessions/
Click on the tab for Search and enter 'England' as the country and then type in 'Cornwall' as the county, leave the Day as Any and click the bottom button 'Search'...
Don't take it that things are still going. Jeremy has it that past sessions remain and few folks return to the entry to let us know in the comments that it is no longer or that the venue or time has changed. They don't regularly get updated. But ~ the members who make the original contribution, and those that add the comments, are usually still active and in the know, so click on a name and send out some emails. You could even write one up in notepad as a standard and just cut-and-paste and send it to a dozen or more contacts down that way. A lot of us are also walkers as well, so you may get some other valuable suggestions and offers. Mostly the folks on site here, if not all, seem pretty reasonable and generous, if at times grumpy, but aren't we all at times that way affected...
Any sessions in Cornwall, England?
Any sessions in Cornwall, England?
Hi everyone. I have searched the sessions section and looked on other websites as well, but have found nothing.
Anyone know of any sessions in Cornwall, England? I will be there from the very end of August through the first couple of weeks in September. It seems I once heard something about a session in a place called the Star Pub (I think) in St. Just, but have not been able to confirm this. If anyone knows of anything say so here, but post it in the sessions section so Jeremy will know we follow the rules! Thanks.
# Posted on August 5th 2003 by Andee
Re: Any sessions in Cornwall, England?
Andee, I've been to a session in St Just. I think it was the Star alright. Unfortunately it was about ten years ago! Better luck with your next caller.
# Posted on August 5th 2003 by sergeant fox
Re: Any sessions in Cornwall, England?
Thanks Paul; we'll see if anyone else comes up with anything else. I'll stop by the Star when I'm there and see what's up these days.
# Posted on August 5th 2003 by Andee
Re: Any sessions in Cornwall, England?
Andee
I know nothing of Cornwall, cos I'm in Cheshire, England, but I read your profile and I wish you were coming to our session!
good luck with cornwall
Dave
# Posted on August 5th 2003 by showaddydadito
Any help?
Andee ...
Try this link
http://www.rootsource.co.uk/
Type in Cornwall in the first search section and you'll a couple of dozen links. Although they're not individually of any terrific value, I'm sure that some of the people/organisations mentioned may be able to give you some up-to-the-minute leads!
And try this (it gives the phone number of The Star)
http://www.angelfire.com/mo/kernowfolk/Song_Clubs.html
Aidan
# Posted on August 5th 2003 by Aidan Crossey
Re: Any sessions in Cornwall, England?
hello there,
i'm in Berkshire and not Cornwall but I have a connection down there and I have it on authority that The Star in St Just is about the best Irish Trad sesh ye'll find down there. 1st thursday of every month in the Boat House in Falmouth then it floats about the following thursday (excuse THAT pun won't ya) so you have to be in the know really but once you find it and exchange no's ye'll be grand. Nick Scott (great piper who plays wi Last Nights Fun) also hosts a sesh in Bow (nr Crediton) in South Devon.
If you want to contact me I can put ye in touch with my mate Doug down there. It's a case of if there's enough muso's around then a sesh can be organised lastminute.com style. All the best, Ian
# Posted on August 5th 2003 by Ian McGirr
Re: Any sessions in Cornwall, England?
Well, so far not a single person has added a session to the sessions section.
This is exactly why I don't want these kinds of discussions: information gets posted to the wrong place.
If somebody would be kind enought to post The Star session to the sessions section, that would be great.
If not, kiss this discussion goodbye.
# Posted on August 6th 2003 by Jeremy
Re: Any sessions in Cornwall, England?
Hey, quick somebody, before the swingeing axe comes down!! My own wrists are still stinging from the slap I got last week, for the same misdemeanour...
Seriously though - there are some flaws in the perfect-world, all-sessions-in-the-database scenario.
For example, I get the feeling that people don't like to post sessions in the database unless they go to the session regularly, know for a fact that it's still running, feel happy that the other regulars would be happy for it to be advertised, feel happy about giving it an honest description, etc. It's a bit like the proviso that you shouldn't post tunes unless you, personally, play them regularly at a real live session.
Until we got down to Ian in this discussion (hello Ian, how's it going?) we were dealing with vague rumours and helpful suggestions. And what's wrong with that, really? It's not the same as a database and can't really be replicated by a database.
Secondly, people might be encouraged to post the sessions in there, but how about updating their entries later on? Less likely. I know that some of the stuff in there is out of date, so therefore, can't rely on the data and would prefer to ask people in real time.
It does seem odd that, given the subject matter of the site, we can't swap info about real life sessions except within a certain set of very particular rules.
Can we maybe have a democratic discussion about it, at least?
# Posted on August 6th 2003 by Nell
Oh, and back to the subject - they used to have sessions at the Blue Anchor in Helston, you could try ringing them to see if they still do. But I guess Ian's friend Doug will know.
See, further to my previous point - that's just a potential lead, not a bona-fide current session that I know about. It could still prove useful to Andee, for all I know. Likewise the links and suggestions and old-remembered sessions in Liverpool that people mentioned when I asked. All that stuff is useful... but it's impossible to discuss that type of thing with the Database-Only rule. There are other kinds of information than Certified Hard Information.
Surely it would be a good thing if Andee found a session to go to in Cornwall, by whatever method?
Sorry to kick up about it, Jeremy. But having spoken to some other people about this issue, I conclude that I'm not the only person who finds it frustrating. I'd really like to know what other people think about it.
Och well, I have loads of work to do yet and it's the hottest day ever in the history of the Western World or something, and here I am in the office still. Better get back to the tedium at hand...
# Posted on August 6th 2003 by Nell
Re: Any sessions in Cornwall, England?
The Mozart or the Brahms te deum?
Trevor
# Posted on August 6th 2003 by Trevor Jennings
Re: Any sessions in Cornwall, England?
So should I just dump the sessions section altogether then?
I appreciate that some of the session information is out of date but it's not like people can't update the information. I've provided all the tools so that the person who submitted the session can update the schedule and anybody can add a comment e.g. "this session is no longer active" or "is this session still active?". What more can I do?
I'll let request-for-session discussions stand but I really, really, really, really would appreciate it if people would post information about sessions to the sessions section as well.
Otherwise, every few months people will be asking "Anybody know of any sessions in [insert place here, e.g. Cornwall]" because their search of the sessions section came up blank and all the information about Cornwall sessions exists in the discussions section where it worse than useless to future seekers of sessions.
I'll try to implement a "request a session" feature, similar to the "request a tune" feature. If I can get that off the ground, then there will be no cause for these kinds of "discussions". In the meantime, I'll let these discussions stand.
# Posted on August 6th 2003 by Jeremy
Re: Any sessions in Cornwall, England?
i appreciate what you say,Jeremy,but i think if it's not your regular session it might be a bit forward in sticking all the details on the net - the people who go there may not appreciate such info being readily available,for whatever reason.in much the same way as some people are wary about giving out their phone numbers etc so i think this sort of thread is valid.
that said,it's your game and i think your last suggestion is as good a solution as any
best wishes
# Posted on August 6th 2003 by biggus dave
Re: Any sessions in Cornwall, England?
I think it's wise, before you post details of a session, to get a consensus of opinion from the regulars (at least) that it's ok to post. If anyone raises hard objections, then drop the idea. Perhaps that's why there are actually far more sessions around than get posted.
Trevor
# Posted on August 6th 2003 by Trevor Jennings
Re: Any sessions in Cornwall, England?
PS and I think you should be a "regular" yourself before you even contemplate the idea!
Trevor
# Posted on August 6th 2003 by Trevor Jennings
Re: Any sessions in Cornwall, England?
A further point. Shouldn't the pub landlord should be part of the equation? If he has set aside room for, say, 10 players he may not be overjoyed if the word gets around and the number balloons to 20.
Trevor
# Posted on August 6th 2003 by Trevor Jennings
Re: Any sessions in Cornwall, England?
Thanks everyone for all the leads! And thanks Jeremy for letting this discussion and others like it stand for now. That way I can look at all the info tomorrow. I just got home from a very long day and am too tired to go through it all, but wanted to thank all you guys!
# Posted on August 6th 2003 by Andee
Re: Any sessions in Cornwall, England?
For your own safety when you go to Cornwall don't tell anyone that they are in England. I won't improve your health or life expectancy if you do.
Good luck from a friendly Englishman living in Cornwall.
# Posted on August 8th 2003 by rosenun
Re: Any sessions in Cornwall, England?
From some of the other comments on this thread, I think it's fair to say that people - or some, or even most, people - don't feel happy about posting a session unless they are a stalwart member of it and are sure that it's appropriate to do so. Which seems quite right. So that is one impediment to a fully-filled session database. Whereas, it's OK to say in passing 'you might try the So-and-So Arms' or 'I'll put you in touch with my friend Dave'.
The problem with having a 'request a session' feature is that nobody will see it unless they're in the session section, which they won't be unless they're actively seeking or posting a session. I only look in there rarely, but I come onto the Discussions page almost every day, sad case that I am. I imagine that's a common pattern. So if session requests get banished to a special place in the sessions section, there won't be much point in posting them, particularly at short notice, because so many fewer people will see them.
I do understand the logic behind your preference, Jeremy. But I think that the community on a board may show a preference for doing something in a different way from the one that was initially envisaged, and sometimes things have to go with the flow.
When I was moderating boards for the BBC, in spite of the behemoth nature of the beast, we still did try to take the users view into account and would change things accordingly when we were able. Because you never quite know how a community will develop, however you design things at the outset.
That's why I vote for *not* having a sessions request function - I don't think it will solve the problem. Don't know if many people will respond to this thread now, but I'd like to know what other people think about this.
# Posted on August 8th 2003 by Nell
By the way, Andee - where are you going in Cornwall? I recommend a magical beach called Kynance Cove, it's quite near to Land's End if I remember right. Gorgeous pale sand and mysterious rock formations, it's quite hidden away... beautiful.
# Posted on August 8th 2003 by Nell
Re: Any sessions in Cornwall, England?
Helen, I agree with your analysis of the "posting sessions" problem. As I think I've mentioned elsewhere, posting a session should not only be done by a regular, but done with the concensus permission of the other members of the session. And perhaps the landlord should be involved, too; a sudden increase in numbers could cause logistical and other problems in the pub.
Trevor
# Posted on August 8th 2003 by Trevor Jennings
Re: Any sessions in Cornwall, England?
Rosenun--your point is well taken! last time I was there I saw a sign graffitii-ed over with the words, "Brits go home!" Or something quite close to that!!
Helen--Thanks for the tip--I will search out Kynance Cove on my ordnance survey map. I will mostly be in the West Penwith area exploring the ancient sacred sites, stone circles and the like (my 2nd biggest obsession after Irish music!).
# Posted on August 8th 2003 by Andee
Re: Any sessions in Cornwall, England?
I was thinking of hitting Cornwall (with my fiddle) the weekend before my conference in London 12 Sept - walking and fiddling hopefully. Loved the tips and the discussions above! Thanks. will maybe go to Kynance Cove...
# Posted on August 12th 2006 by jinksy
Re: Any sessions in Cornwall, England?
Notice the date on the original contributors offering ~ 2003... A lot can change and usually does... A few folks I knew down in Cornwall, were movers and shakers in the dance and music world there, are no more, sadly, and others have moved on... Here's some other options ~
Click on the side bar for Sessions:
http://www.thesession.org/sessions/
Click on the tab for Search and enter 'England' as the country and then type in 'Cornwall' as the county, leave the Day as Any and click the bottom button 'Search'...
http://www.thesession.org/sessions/index.php/search?country_id=47&areaname=Cornwall&town=&day=Any&search=Search
Don't take it that things are still going. Jeremy has it that past sessions remain and few folks return to the entry to let us know in the comments that it is no longer or that the venue or time has changed. They don't regularly get updated. But ~ the members who make the original contribution, and those that add the comments, are usually still active and in the know, so click on a name and send out some emails. You could even write one up in notepad as a standard and just cut-and-paste and send it to a dozen or more contacts down that way. A lot of us are also walkers as well, so you may get some other valuable suggestions and offers. Mostly the folks on site here, if not all, seem pretty reasonable and generous, if at times grumpy, but aren't we all at times that way affected...
Best of luck ~ 'c'
# Posted on August 12th 2006 by ceolachan
Re: Any sessions in Cornwall, England?
http://www.cornishfolklore.com/
http://www.cornishfolklore.com/home2.htm
http://www.an-daras.com/
http://www.an-daras.com/home.htm
http://cwic.cornwall.gov.uk/
http://cwic.cornwall.gov.uk/cwic-sql/results.asp?w=folk+dance&S=Search
http://www.efdss.org/
~ they have information, contacts and links...
# Posted on August 12th 2006 by ceolachan