I could repeat the tale about the beautiful American b**** who came into a session in Donegal and complained about the barndances/Germans/highland flings/mazurkas we were all playing at the time. The gist of her complaint was that the weren't Irish! As lovely as she was, a head turner, we were glad to see her pert little ass leave the premises... SHEESH!
I should qualify my earlier remark to say that I have nothing against the tune.
Courtesy of Fiddler's Companion:
"WOODLAND FLOWERS [1]. AKA and see "Mrs. Kenny's Barndance," "The Sh*t Cart Polka." English, Jig. England, East Anglia. D Major. Standard. ABB'. The tune is almost universally known amongst older traditional fiddle and squeezebox players in England. Despite its being rendered as a jig, the melody was composed as a schottische by Felix Burns. Nigel Gatherer reports that Burns was born in Perth, Scotland, in 1864. A musical prodigy and multi-instrumentalist, his first musical instruments were tin whistle and mouth organ, "graduating" to piano, organ and various brass instruments. His composing career started at an early age and he went on to become one of the most popular composers of his time, although for an unknown reason he often credited his compositions to various pen names such as Leona Lacoste, Alfred Rosslyn, Claud Roslind, and Leon Fabrini. He settled in Carlisle, and died 1920, although not before siring thirteen children. Burns work was much recorded in the early decades of the 20th century by such musicians as Scotland's Wyper Brothers. Later, Scottish band leader Jimmy Shands recorded "Woodland Flowers." In Ireland it is played as a barn dance under the title "Mrs. Kenny's Barndance."
There is also another tune by this name that is a Finnish Waltz - not a bad tune though.
"Michael Coleman obviously regarded it as a traditional tune."
My guess is, Michael Coleman simply regarded it as a tune he enjoyed playing. If pressed as to what kind of music he played, perhaps he would have said 'Irish music'. I doubt whether the term 'traditional music', or even 'folk music', was in use among his generation of Irish musicians.
Actually I remember reading that both Morrison and Coleman hated the music hall pieces and polkas they were asked to play by the record company. 'they didn't think more of that tune than a cigarette but in the street' (Quote from James Morrison in Harry Bradshaw's booklet about Coleman)
Tradition - A practice, custom or story that is memorised and passed down from generation to generation. In this case it's a piece of music that has been passed down from the pen of Felix Burns, and at least you played it near enough to the way it was written, which isn't the case in Coleman's version of the same tune. ( Mrs Kenny's Barndance)
Good grief! If you're going to keep creating these bogus accounts, at least learn to punctuate correctly so we won't see through it so easily. Is it so hard for you to use a period correctly?
Although I have to admit, it's entertaining to watch you have a conversation with yourself.
I like this one best of all:
"I have it on a vinyl lp, recorded by Dick and Sue Miles, the lp is called The Dunmow Flitch, recorded in 1981."
Wow, how in the world did you get your hands on a recording by the famous Dick Miles, Dick? Creating multiple accounts to promote yourself is kinda funny, but also kinda sad. But the punctuation thing is hysterical nonetheless.
Caveman #1"Sorry, a semantic problem, I meant to say, 'You're stick banging crap.' It's getting all over the place. Go wash up and we'll find something else for you to take your frustrations out on, maybe a bit of leather stretched over something..."
But to get back to the original question..........
......well, probably not, technically, as we know who wrote it and so on. The real meaning of the definition is if it has been accepted into the tradition and is still played in the colloquial and vernacular of the local sessions.
And so I would say "probably not".
It's funny, but I do feel there is a style, which one can sometimes recognize, but not always, which says to you that it isn't quite right.
Yet I still like The Dark Island, but not The Lonesome Boatman.
Poor Dick, not a bad player at all in his own style, (although definitely not in the Irish trad style accepted in sessions), took the banter here far too seriously and let himself get wound up too easily. May he lurk in peace.............
is this traditional?
is this traditional?
http://www.soundlantern.com/UpdatedSoundPage.do?ToId=3714&Path=23Track23.mp3
# Posted on November 19th 2008 by Red Robin
Re: is this traditional?
I'm not sure if you are allowed to ask that. Threads about Dick Miles are disappearing, so this one may too.
# Posted on November 19th 2008 by Linsey Doyle
Re: is this traditional?
Depends on what tradition you are talking about? But why ask the question in the first place?
# Posted on November 19th 2008 by Donough
Re: is this traditional?
It made me smile!
I could repeat the tale about the beautiful American b**** who came into a session in Donegal and complained about the barndances/Germans/highland flings/mazurkas we were all playing at the time. The gist of her complaint was that the weren't Irish! As lovely as she was, a head turner, we were glad to see her pert little ass leave the premises... SHEESH!
# Posted on November 19th 2008 by ceolachan
Oops! It's not you is it Robin?
# Posted on November 19th 2008 by ceolachan
Re: is this traditional?
Michael Coleman plays this on Disc2 of the double album, the very last tune, I think
# Posted on November 19th 2008 by Luidín
Re: is this traditional?
Just double checked, it's listed as Mrs Kenny's, Michael Coleman obviously regarded it as a traditional tune.
# Posted on November 19th 2008 by Luidín
Re: is this traditional?
Coleman wasn't alone in appreciating this old gem...
# Posted on November 19th 2008 by ceolachan
"The Woodland Flowers Schottische" / "Mrs. Kenny's Barndance"
C: Felix Burns, a Scotsman
Key signature: D Major
Submitted on April 20th 2003 by gian marco.
http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/1603
# Posted on November 19th 2008 by ceolachan
Re: is this traditional?
Sorry, has dear dick left the house? (I'm not up to speed here)...
# Posted on November 19th 2008 by mutatis mutandis
Re: is this traditional?
I should qualify my earlier remark to say that I have nothing against the tune.
Courtesy of Fiddler's Companion:
"WOODLAND FLOWERS [1]. AKA and see "Mrs. Kenny's Barndance," "The Sh*t Cart Polka." English, Jig. England, East Anglia. D Major. Standard. ABB'. The tune is almost universally known amongst older traditional fiddle and squeezebox players in England. Despite its being rendered as a jig, the melody was composed as a schottische by Felix Burns. Nigel Gatherer reports that Burns was born in Perth, Scotland, in 1864. A musical prodigy and multi-instrumentalist, his first musical instruments were tin whistle and mouth organ, "graduating" to piano, organ and various brass instruments. His composing career started at an early age and he went on to become one of the most popular composers of his time, although for an unknown reason he often credited his compositions to various pen names such as Leona Lacoste, Alfred Rosslyn, Claud Roslind, and Leon Fabrini. He settled in Carlisle, and died 1920, although not before siring thirteen children. Burns work was much recorded in the early decades of the 20th century by such musicians as Scotland's Wyper Brothers. Later, Scottish band leader Jimmy Shands recorded "Woodland Flowers." In Ireland it is played as a barn dance under the title "Mrs. Kenny's Barndance."
There is also another tune by this name that is a Finnish Waltz - not a bad tune though.
# Posted on November 19th 2008 by Donough
Re: is this traditional?
'Michael Coleman obviously regarded it as a traditional tune.'
How did you guess that? Mindreading?
# Posted on November 19th 2008 by Prof. Prlwytzkofski
Re: is this traditional?
... and never typed a space after a comma.
# Posted on November 19th 2008 by Ramiro
Re: is this traditional?
self praise and all that
# Posted on November 19th 2008 by bogman
Re: is this traditional?
"Michael Coleman obviously regarded it as a traditional tune."
My guess is, Michael Coleman simply regarded it as a tune he enjoyed playing. If pressed as to what kind of music he played, perhaps he would have said 'Irish music'. I doubt whether the term 'traditional music', or even 'folk music', was in use among his generation of Irish musicians.
# Posted on November 19th 2008 by CreadurMawnOrganig
Re: is this traditional?
Actually I remember reading that both Morrison and Coleman hated the music hall pieces and polkas they were asked to play by the record company. 'they didn't think more of that tune than a cigarette but in the street' (Quote from James Morrison in Harry Bradshaw's booklet about Coleman)
# Posted on November 19th 2008 by Prof. Prlwytzkofski
Re: is this traditional?
Nicely done. So what does it matter. But yes.
# Posted on November 19th 2008 by skin&bow
Re: is this traditional?
Maybe he lifted the arrangement that was in the ICA newsletter a while ago. Not a lot of life in it, that's what I think.
# Posted on November 19th 2008 by Prof. Prlwytzkofski
Re: is this traditional?
Tradition - A practice, custom or story that is memorised and passed down from generation to generation. In this case it's a piece of music that has been passed down from the pen of Felix Burns, and at least you played it near enough to the way it was written, which isn't the case in Coleman's version of the same tune. ( Mrs Kenny's Barndance)
# Posted on November 19th 2008 by Free Reed
Re: is this traditional?
Who cares ?
It is good playing .
# Posted on November 19th 2008 by John Grover
Good grief! If you're going to keep creating these bogus accounts, at least learn to punctuate correctly so we won't see through it so easily. Is it so hard for you to use a period correctly?
Although I have to admit, it's entertaining to watch you have a conversation with yourself.
I like this one best of all:
"I have it on a vinyl lp, recorded by Dick and Sue Miles, the lp is called The Dunmow Flitch, recorded in 1981."
Wow, how in the world did you get your hands on a recording by the famous Dick Miles, Dick? Creating multiple accounts to promote yourself is kinda funny, but also kinda sad. But the punctuation thing is hysterical nonetheless.
# Posted on November 19th 2008 by Marklar
Re: is this traditional?
Yes, pointlessly slagging other musicians is very traditional and probably goes back centuries, if not to the very dawn of mankind.
Caveman #1 "Your stick banging is crap."
Caveman #2 "You wouldn't know traditional stick banging if somebody shoved a pair up your furry @rse."
# Posted on November 19th 2008 by Jusa Nutter Eejit
Re: is this traditional?
'How did you guess that? Mindreading?'
No, I see dead people!
# Posted on November 20th 2008 by Luidín
Re: is this traditional?
Caveman #1"Sorry, a semantic problem, I meant to say, 'You're stick banging crap.' It's getting all over the place. Go wash up and we'll find something else for you to take your frustrations out on, maybe a bit of leather stretched over something..."
# Posted on November 20th 2008 by ceolachan
Re: is this traditional?
But to get back to the original question..........
......well, probably not, technically, as we know who wrote it and so on. The real meaning of the definition is if it has been accepted into the tradition and is still played in the colloquial and vernacular of the local sessions.
And so I would say "probably not".
It's funny, but I do feel there is a style, which one can sometimes recognize, but not always, which says to you that it isn't quite right.
Yet I still like The Dark Island, but not The Lonesome Boatman.
# Posted on November 20th 2008 by Guernsey Pete
Re: is this traditional?
Poor Dick, not a bad player at all in his own style, (although definitely not in the Irish trad style accepted in sessions), took the banter here far too seriously and let himself get wound up too easily. May he lurk in peace.............
# Posted on November 20th 2008 by AlBrown