Custy's music shop sells both David Lyth books [or at least the latest one anyway] in which he's analyzed various top players' bowing...I think Sliabh Luachra players is Vol.2 if I'm not mistaken. It's good for reference if you're curious.
Some people have questioned the accuracy his bowing annotations in Vol.1 [coleman etc], but I've only heard good things about Vol.2.
The first one is very informative. It highlights Coleman's, Morrison's, and Killoran's bowing's.
The one thing that must be remembered though when examining these books is that the bow can be stopped and continued on the same stroke, giving the impression that the direction of stroke was changed. Lyth doesn't mention this. I'm sure that all three of those players did that, too. I don't think the bowings are perfect in Vol.1 but they will definitely give you a glimpse into their bowing styles.
Just as a matter of interest, James Kelly reviewed Vol.1 in Ceol, A Journal of Irish Music, 1984. He congradulated Lyth's work but also highlighted several flaws.
It's still an andmirable work.
Marklar....ah, I think vol.1 may be OUP now.
for anyone looking tho, most university libraries of any worth will have it....ie, their music/sound/moving image libraries within the main library. as ours does.
someone had kindly posted it for a pdf download [who's a member on here i think] which is how i got mine. but i can't remember the fellow's name. sorry. ;(
Volume 2 is not only Sliabh Luachra, but also Limerick, Tipperary & Clare. Working from memory, which may miss somebody or include someone who isn't there, it includes Denis Murphy, Julia Clifford, Paddy Cronin, Johnny Cronin, Martin Mulvihill, Sean Ryan, Paddy Canny, Patrick Kelly, John Kelly, Junior Crehan, and Bobby Casey.
I just talked to Davy about his book. He says he wanted to put it out as a pdf himself, but Comhaltas own the copyright, so that's that. He thinks he might be about to embark on a second edition. He also reckons the bowing is totally accurate, Charlie Lennon was the referee.
None of this particularly helps with getting hold of vol 1 though does it? Sorry!
well, i've little opinion on the matter myself, and in view of the risk of setting myself up for litigation I won't go into what davy thought that was all about! I'm just reporting what I've been told, namely that "You can't mess with the ups and downs because if you miss one all
subsequent ones are upside down which feels totally ridiculous when you
try it out".
I'm no expert on the directions other people send their bows in anyhow, I'm not even an expert on my own, so it's not something I have a big opinion about.
.
Bowing Styles in Irish Fiddle Playing, vol 1
Bowing Styles in Irish Fiddle Playing, vol 1
I have the second volume and I'd really like the first, but I can't seem to find it for sale anywhere.
If anyone knows where one is for sale or has a copy for sale, please let me know. Thanks.
# Posted on November 19th 2008 by Marklar
Discussion: Bowing
# Posted on November 17th 2008 by jasten
http://www.thesession.org/discussions/display/19775
Custy's music shop sells both David Lyth books [or at least the latest one anyway] in which he's analyzed various top players' bowing...I think Sliabh Luachra players is Vol.2 if I'm not mistaken. It's good for reference if you're curious.
Some people have questioned the accuracy his bowing annotations in Vol.1 [coleman etc], but I've only heard good things about Vol.2.
# Posted on November 17th 2008 by mtodd
http://www.custysmusic.com/
# Posted on November 19th 2008 by ceolachan
Re: Bowing Styles in Irish Fiddle Playing, vol 1
Thanks, I got the second volume from Custy's a while back but they didn't have the first.
I've been contacted by email and it looks like I'll be able to get my hands on a copy of the first volume. Thanks though.
# Posted on November 19th 2008 by Marklar
Re: Bowing Styles in Irish Fiddle Playing, vol 1
Congratulations!
# Posted on November 19th 2008 by ceolachan
Re: Bowing Styles in Irish Fiddle Playing, vol 1
Well, I'm after the second volume if anyone has got one going ! Let me know.
Allan
# Posted on November 19th 2008 by rosfrog
Re: Bowing Styles in Irish Fiddle Playing, vol 1
The first one is very informative. It highlights Coleman's, Morrison's, and Killoran's bowing's.
The one thing that must be remembered though when examining these books is that the bow can be stopped and continued on the same stroke, giving the impression that the direction of stroke was changed. Lyth doesn't mention this. I'm sure that all three of those players did that, too. I don't think the bowings are perfect in Vol.1 but they will definitely give you a glimpse into their bowing styles.
# Posted on November 19th 2008 by The Sailor on the Rock
Re: Bowing Styles in Irish Fiddle Playing, vol 1
davy is good freind of mine so I guess I can ask him where you an get them
# Posted on November 19th 2008 by pavlf
Re: Bowing Styles in Irish Fiddle Playing, vol 1
i meant friend!
# Posted on November 19th 2008 by pavlf
Re: Bowing Styles in Irish Fiddle Playing, vol 1
and 'can' ... sorry being in an office isn't conducive to posting things here, people keep talking to me!
# Posted on November 19th 2008 by pavlf
Re: Bowing Styles in Irish Fiddle Playing, vol 1
Will you ask him if the first book will ever be re-issued?
# Posted on November 19th 2008 by The Sailor on the Rock
Re: Bowing Styles in Irish Fiddle Playing, vol 1
Some tunes in O'Neill's 1850 have phrase marks that make alot of sense when converted into bowings.
# Posted on November 19th 2008 by The Sailor on the Rock
Re: Bowing Styles in Irish Fiddle Playing, vol 1
i've mailed him a link to this thread so maybe he'll post a reply, though I don't think he's signed up on here so who knows
# Posted on November 19th 2008 by pavlf
Re: Bowing Styles in Irish Fiddle Playing, vol 1
Just as a matter of interest, James Kelly reviewed Vol.1 in Ceol, A Journal of Irish Music, 1984. He congradulated Lyth's work but also highlighted several flaws.
It's still an andmirable work.
# Posted on November 19th 2008 by The Sailor on the Rock
Re: Bowing Styles in Irish Fiddle Playing, vol 1
Marklar....ah, I think vol.1 may be OUP now.
for anyone looking tho, most university libraries of any worth will have it....ie, their music/sound/moving image libraries within the main library. as ours does.
someone had kindly posted it for a pdf download [who's a member on here i think] which is how i got mine. but i can't remember the fellow's name. sorry. ;(
# Posted on November 19th 2008 by skin&bow
Re: Bowing Styles in Irish Fiddle Playing, vol 1
Volume 2 is not only Sliabh Luachra, but also Limerick, Tipperary & Clare. Working from memory, which may miss somebody or include someone who isn't there, it includes Denis Murphy, Julia Clifford, Paddy Cronin, Johnny Cronin, Martin Mulvihill, Sean Ryan, Paddy Canny, Patrick Kelly, John Kelly, Junior Crehan, and Bobby Casey.
# Posted on November 19th 2008 by GaryAMartin
Re: Bowing Styles in Irish Fiddle Playing, vol 1
You have a good memory, but also included are Padraig O'Keeffe and Joe Ryan.
# Posted on November 19th 2008 by Marklar
Re: Bowing Styles in Irish Fiddle Playing, vol 1
I just talked to Davy about his book. He says he wanted to put it out as a pdf himself, but Comhaltas own the copyright, so that's that. He thinks he might be about to embark on a second edition. He also reckons the bowing is totally accurate, Charlie Lennon was the referee.
None of this particularly helps with getting hold of vol 1 though does it? Sorry!
# Posted on November 22nd 2008 by pavlf
Re: Bowing Styles in Irish Fiddle Playing, vol 1
'He also reckons the bowing is totally accurate'
Ofcourse he does, there are different opinions on that subject , James Kelly tore shreds of the first volume in a review in Ceol for example
# Posted on November 22nd 2008 by Prof. Prlwytzkofski
Re: Bowing Styles in Irish Fiddle Playing, vol 1
well, i've little opinion on the matter myself, and in view of the risk of setting myself up for litigation I won't go into what davy thought that was all about! I'm just reporting what I've been told, namely that "You can't mess with the ups and downs because if you miss one all
subsequent ones are upside down which feels totally ridiculous when you
try it out".
I'm no expert on the directions other people send their bows in anyhow, I'm not even an expert on my own, so it's not something I have a big opinion about.
.
# Posted on November 22nd 2008 by pavlf
Re: Bowing Styles in Irish Fiddle Playing, vol 1
I don't have much of an opinion of it either but I do hear the odd noises and opinions about it.
# Posted on November 22nd 2008 by Prof. Prlwytzkofski
Re: Bowing Styles in Irish Fiddle Playing, vol 1
I'd be surprised if you didn't. Publishing a book that purports to 'tell it like it is' is always going to invite criticism.
# Posted on November 22nd 2008 by pavlf