How do I proceed? I have transcribed a great tune from an album. When I look up the recording here, there is a link to the tune I've transcribed, but it's not the right tune, totally different from the one on the CD. Should I post the new tune under the same name, add to the comments under the wrong tune (this one can't be right), or what?
Which recording, jim ? Which tune ? Somebody here might be able to help in advance, rather than you post a tune only to have it deleted as a "duplicate", which I know is a bit annoying.
'Wrong' is a bit rude. Like more often several tunes can go under one name. The link in the tunes section is created automatically, it says 'Recordings of a tune by this name', no less, no more. It doesn't garantee that it is the same tune, just that it has the same name and so might be the 'right' tune.
Thanks for your help. I am not sure what key to call it either, the key signature is one sharp, but I'm at a little loss as to the tonal center. Here are the notes:
It's a reel from Chulrua's "Down the Back Lane" which is identified as "Micho Russell's" and is totally not any of the Micho Russell's already found here. I did an advanced search using the first measure, which is a pretty distinctive phrase, and got no matches. This tunes rocks along really well and is a joy to play even with the fingering problems the B part brings to the octave mandolin.
Also, I mentioned wrong tune only as an easier alternative to saying "not the right tune".
It's the 'Old Grey Gander' in Breatchnach, Liam O Flynn called it 'Wiilie Clancy's' , 'Humours of Quilty' when all C's are sharp. I have seen other names for it as well.
Also very close to Martin Hayes' 'John Naughton's' and not too far from the 'Eel in the Sink'
Breathnach got the tune without name from Junior Crehan. I always thought he made up the name in reference to Junior.
Breathnach's note in CRE2 says:
'An Seanghandal Liath: The Old Grey Gander. Untitled from Martin ("Junior") Crehan [fiddle], Miltown Malbay, County Clare, VIII, 1959. The title is from O'Neill (DMI, 600). O'Neill has another version, The Humours of Schull (DMI, 699)'
And Paul de Grae's annotation to CRE adds the following:
'Members of IRTRAD-L contributed to an annotated index to The Northern Fiddler (available on the Web), and the following comments were made on this tune by Philippe Varlet: "This appears to be a tune of Scottish origin which appeared in Aird (according to O'Neill) as Cameron House. O'Neill reproduces it in Waifs & Strays, but prints it in his other collections under different titles, The Old Grey Gander, The Humors of Schull, and the air George Gubbin's Delight. Another early source is O'Farrell's Pocket Companion in which it appears as Lord Kelly's Reel - it also shows up in Kerr's Merry Melodies as Lord Kelly, Strathspey. You'll also find it in Roche as Mo Ceoil Sibh a Laochra in the section on marches (its notation, however, makes one think of a polka), and in Ceol Rince Vol. 2 transcribed from the playing of Junior Crehan." Also compare Highway to Limerick (DMI 644; MOI 1402); Humours of Schull/Rolling Reel (DMI 699; MOI 1470; WSGM 260); and Reilly's Reel (CRÉ V 175). '
not the right tune
not the right tune
How do I proceed? I have transcribed a great tune from an album. When I look up the recording here, there is a link to the tune I've transcribed, but it's not the right tune, totally different from the one on the CD. Should I post the new tune under the same name, add to the comments under the wrong tune (this one can't be right), or what?
# Posted on October 17th 2008 by justjim
Re: not the right tune
Which recording, jim ? Which tune ? Somebody here might be able to help in advance, rather than you post a tune only to have it deleted as a "duplicate", which I know is a bit annoying.
# Posted on October 17th 2008 by Kenny
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'Wrong' is a bit rude. Like more often several tunes can go under one name. The link in the tunes section is created automatically, it says 'Recordings of a tune by this name', no less, no more. It doesn't garantee that it is the same tune, just that it has the same name and so might be the 'right' tune.
# Posted on October 17th 2008 by Henk Bos
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Give us the full details, including posting the ABCs here for us to see, just in case it goes by another name, etc...
# Posted on October 17th 2008 by ceolachan
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Thanks for your help. I am not sure what key to call it either, the key signature is one sharp, but I'm at a little loss as to the tonal center. Here are the notes:
|EGAB c2dc|BGGG BGAG|EGAB c2eg|gedg eAAG|
EGAB c2dc|BGGG BGAG|EGAB c2eg|gedg eAAA||
a2ea aged|^cdef g2ag|eaab agef|gedg eAAA|
eaab aged|^cdef g2ag|eaag egde|gedg eAAG||
It's a reel from Chulrua's "Down the Back Lane" which is identified as "Micho Russell's" and is totally not any of the Micho Russell's already found here. I did an advanced search using the first measure, which is a pretty distinctive phrase, and got no matches. This tunes rocks along really well and is a joy to play even with the fingering problems the B part brings to the octave mandolin.
Also, I mentioned wrong tune only as an easier alternative to saying "not the right tune".
# Posted on October 18th 2008 by justjim
Re: not the right tune
Tonal centre is A. It's in A dorian. Nice tune. I know I've played it, and it's got its own name. Can't remember it, though ...
# Posted on October 18th 2008 by ethical blend
Re: not the right tune
It's the 'Old Grey Gander' in Breatchnach, Liam O Flynn called it 'Wiilie Clancy's' , 'Humours of Quilty' when all C's are sharp. I have seen other names for it as well.
Also very close to Martin Hayes' 'John Naughton's' and not too far from the 'Eel in the Sink'
# Posted on October 18th 2008 by Prof. Prlwytzkofski
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Wow! 'Old Grey Gander'? The one I know is the enormous old one by that name.
Thanks for the names, kilfarboy. I think the one I'd heard was possibly 'Humours of Quilty'.
# Posted on October 18th 2008 by ethical blend
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The big one is the it's mate, the Old Grey Goose.
# Posted on October 18th 2008 by Prof. Prlwytzkofski
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My thanks to you all. Now I have even MORE ways to play it. Very cool. What a great thing we have going here!
# Posted on October 18th 2008 by justjim
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Old Grey Goose ... sorry ... I'll try and nail a big sign up in my head somewhere ... Thanks, kilfarboy.
# Posted on October 18th 2008 by ethical blend
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Breathnach got the tune without name from Junior Crehan. I always thought he made up the name in reference to Junior.
Breathnach's note in CRE2 says:
'An Seanghandal Liath: The Old Grey Gander. Untitled from Martin ("Junior") Crehan [fiddle], Miltown Malbay, County Clare, VIII, 1959. The title is from O'Neill (DMI, 600). O'Neill has another version, The Humours of Schull (DMI, 699)'
And Paul de Grae's annotation to CRE adds the following:
'Members of IRTRAD-L contributed to an annotated index to The Northern Fiddler (available on the Web), and the following comments were made on this tune by Philippe Varlet: "This appears to be a tune of Scottish origin which appeared in Aird (according to O'Neill) as Cameron House. O'Neill reproduces it in Waifs & Strays, but prints it in his other collections under different titles, The Old Grey Gander, The Humors of Schull, and the air George Gubbin's Delight. Another early source is O'Farrell's Pocket Companion in which it appears as Lord Kelly's Reel - it also shows up in Kerr's Merry Melodies as Lord Kelly, Strathspey. You'll also find it in Roche as Mo Ceoil Sibh a Laochra in the section on marches (its notation, however, makes one think of a polka), and in Ceol Rince Vol. 2 transcribed from the playing of Junior Crehan." Also compare Highway to Limerick (DMI 644; MOI 1402); Humours of Schull/Rolling Reel (DMI 699; MOI 1470; WSGM 260); and Reilly's Reel (CRÉ V 175). '
# Posted on October 18th 2008 by Prof. Prlwytzkofski