In the last few weeks, on listening to Larry Nugent's album Two for Two, I picked up on an amazing trick up his sleeve, something I've aspired to do ever since.
For those of you with the album, listen to track 13, Tom Moylan's frolic. He plays it through 4 times and, on the last repeat, he plays a series of 4 (or maybe 5, difficult to tell) tongued triplets following each other. Now, usually, I don't aspire to do much in terms of ornamenting a tune, in fact I like to keep it very spare but this one just gives me the goosebumps (positively, by the way.)
Its much easier said than done. I can do tongued triplets (am I bold in saying that?) but putting so many strung together is a crazy and very hard to do! I can't play that tune now without giving those triplets a whack, ultimately failing. Have any of you any tips? Its not a piece of ornamentation that can be practiced slow really, is it?
Rapid and seemingly impossible tonguing is a feature of some Scottish whistle playing - I once heard the pipers Duncan McGillivray and Dougie Pincock playing incredible music on whistle together in Durham, I imagine after a Battlefield Band gig. Try looking up Nigel Gatherer's site or other Scottish music websites (maybe there are links from this one), and you might find your way to tips or a tutor on Scottish whistle.
Woooo! Just went to eMusic and downloaded the track you were talking about PaddyCmusic. In fact downloaded the whole CD. I'm not up to the ornamentations you're talking about, but I'm thoroughly enjoying the CD ... so thanks very much fer that ... and I'm sure you'll soon get them because you really want to and that's all it really takes, hey! Go for it. Yay!
he is a serious player alright...tom moylan had a pup in loughrea galway one time....paddy carthy played it too....its on his "the stone in the field "album
youll have them in no time....keep playing them fast with the cd and ...its easier get them at normal speed than slow as the air and the mouth is way different...
I would rather not talk about these tricks. In the 14th century, a certain Japanese actor and playwrite wrote: "If the secret of the flower becomes known to the public, it is not the true flower."
bud an asal, thanks for that. I'll just keep trying, it will hopefully just come with practice. Craning did anyway By the way, Paddy Carthy recorded a tune called "The Day I Met Tom Moylan" on an album called "Traditional Irish Music" with Mick O'Connor on banjo. This album began with the tune, The Stone in the Field. "The Day I Met Tom Moylan" is not the same tune which Larry Nugent has recorded but, in fact, a variation on the common tune, "The Man of the House." Its not that important really though. Don't mind me.
slainte, its true that this technique being "let out" would spoil the goods of it. But you can't record something and not expect some overwhelmed listener to try and copy (or attempt to copy) it.
Something I would love to be able to do
Something I would love to be able to do
In the last few weeks, on listening to Larry Nugent's album Two for Two, I picked up on an amazing trick up his sleeve, something I've aspired to do ever since.
For those of you with the album, listen to track 13, Tom Moylan's frolic. He plays it through 4 times and, on the last repeat, he plays a series of 4 (or maybe 5, difficult to tell) tongued triplets following each other. Now, usually, I don't aspire to do much in terms of ornamenting a tune, in fact I like to keep it very spare but this one just gives me the goosebumps (positively, by the way.)
Its much easier said than done. I can do tongued triplets (am I bold in saying that?) but putting so many strung together is a crazy and very hard to do! I can't play that tune now without giving those triplets a whack, ultimately failing. Have any of you any tips? Its not a piece of ornamentation that can be practiced slow really, is it?
# Posted on July 30th 2008 by 52Paddy
Re: Something I would love to be able to do
easy, albeit on a humble bodhran
# Posted on July 30th 2008 by bodhran bliss
Re: Something I would love to be able to do
Rapid and seemingly impossible tonguing is a feature of some Scottish whistle playing - I once heard the pipers Duncan McGillivray and Dougie Pincock playing incredible music on whistle together in Durham, I imagine after a Battlefield Band gig. Try looking up Nigel Gatherer's site or other Scottish music websites (maybe there are links from this one), and you might find your way to tips or a tutor on Scottish whistle.
# Posted on July 30th 2008 by nicholas
Re: Something I would love to be able to do
Thanks nicholas.
bb, tongued triplets aren't as demanding on bodhran I believe?
# Posted on July 30th 2008 by 52Paddy
Re: Something I would love to be able to do
Woooo! Just went to eMusic and downloaded the track you were talking about PaddyCmusic. In fact downloaded the whole CD. I'm not up to the ornamentations you're talking about, but I'm thoroughly enjoying the CD ... so thanks very much fer that ... and I'm sure you'll soon get them because you really want to and that's all it really takes, hey! Go for it. Yay!
# Posted on July 31st 2008 by Clear Drops
Re: Something I would love to be able to do
he is a serious player alright...tom moylan had a pup in loughrea galway one time....paddy carthy played it too....its on his "the stone in the field "album
youll have them in no time....keep playing them fast with the cd and ...its easier get them at normal speed than slow as the air and the mouth is way different...
# Posted on July 31st 2008 by bud an asal
Re: Something I would love to be able to do
I would rather not talk about these tricks. In the 14th century, a certain Japanese actor and playwrite wrote: "If the secret of the flower becomes known to the public, it is not the true flower."
# Posted on July 31st 2008 by slainte
Re: Something I would love to be able to do
bud an asal, thanks for that. I'll just keep trying, it will hopefully just come with practice. Craning did anyway
By the way, Paddy Carthy recorded a tune called "The Day I Met Tom Moylan" on an album called "Traditional Irish Music" with Mick O'Connor on banjo. This album began with the tune, The Stone in the Field. "The Day I Met Tom Moylan" is not the same tune which Larry Nugent has recorded but, in fact, a variation on the common tune, "The Man of the House." Its not that important really though. Don't mind me.
slainte, its true that this technique being "let out" would spoil the goods of it. But you can't record something and not expect some overwhelmed listener to try and copy (or attempt to copy) it.
# Posted on July 31st 2008 by 52Paddy