Actually 'Spanish' guitars originated in the middle east so technically they didn't come from Europe whereas the violin as we know it i.e. the fiddle did, fiddle being a Germanic term.
The wooden flute also originates in central europe.
So by this logic after Lisbon, guitars are ok but flutes and fiddles aren't!!!
The banjo seems ok too cos it came from the US via Africa so has nothing to do with central europe.
However if you want to take the extreme stance that only native Irish instruments should be allowed then I'm afraid we're just left with the Uilleann Pipes, the Irish Harp and the Tin Whistle.
"The first record of tin-plate whistles dates back to 1825 in Britain."
The first factory-made "tinwhistles" were produced by Robert Clarke (? - 1882) in Manchester and later New Moston, England. Up to 1900, they were also marketed as "Clarke London Flageolets" or "Clarke Flageolets".
-Wikipedia, not always reliable but matches what i heard before.
The Uilleann Pipes are most certainly Irish, they are a different instrument altogether than bagpipes found in other countries.
The Tin Whistle is not English
'Players of the feadan are also mentioned in the description of the King of Ireland's court found in the Brehon Laws dating from the 3rd century A.D.'
The term "penny whistle" was coined on the streets of Dublin in the late 1500's because of the whistles' prevalence among the beggars and vagabonds in Ireland. The word "tin-whistle" was also coined as early as 1825.'
True I got this info from Wikipedia but the Wikipedia article quotes very reliable sources L.E. McCullough and the Oxford English Dictionary.
My point is that what is now considered as the "Tin whistle" stems (to my knowledge) from the advent of the industrial revolution and Clarke's idea to produce low priced instruments made of tin.
So yeah there were tin whistles before in ireland, point taken.
But, It reached it's form of today (more or .less) in Manchester as I understand it, because the Mass produced thing was for decades really the typical thing about the whistles,
Ireland says NO
Ireland says NO
... to Greek bouzoukis, Spanish guitars, French accordions and shakey eggs from Lisbon!
I'm sure yous can add a few more...
# Posted on June 14th 2008 by the wounded hussar
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...Italian mandolins.....
# Posted on June 14th 2008 by poldebrun
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German tubas..
But I think it's more a case of the Irish being against a conductor from Brussels while being in harmony with the instruments.
# Posted on June 14th 2008 by kuec
Re: Ireland says NO
Actually 'Spanish' guitars originated in the middle east so technically they didn't come from Europe whereas the violin as we know it i.e. the fiddle did, fiddle being a Germanic term.
The wooden flute also originates in central europe.
So by this logic after Lisbon, guitars are ok but flutes and fiddles aren't!!!
The banjo seems ok too cos it came from the US via Africa so has nothing to do with central europe.
However if you want to take the extreme stance that only native Irish instruments should be allowed then I'm afraid we're just left with the Uilleann Pipes, the Irish Harp and the Tin Whistle.
Viva la Revolution!!!!
# Posted on June 14th 2008 by The Tune Composer
Re: Ireland says NO
Tin Whistle is English, to rule that out.
# Posted on June 14th 2008 by TMB
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And the uilleann pipes are French.
# Posted on June 14th 2008 by ethical blend
Re: Ireland says NO
tin whistle English? where did you find that information? historical records?
And the uilleann pipes are French' And this one? Are they not an adaption of the pastoral pipes?
I am curious. What is the French name for these pipes?
# Posted on June 14th 2008 by piobagusfidil
Re: Ireland says NO
"The first record of tin-plate whistles dates back to 1825 in Britain."
The first factory-made "tinwhistles" were produced by Robert Clarke (? - 1882) in Manchester and later New Moston, England. Up to 1900, they were also marketed as "Clarke London Flageolets" or "Clarke Flageolets".
-Wikipedia, not always reliable but matches what i heard before.
# Posted on June 14th 2008 by TMB
Re: Ireland says NO
The Uilleann Pipes are most certainly Irish, they are a different instrument altogether than bagpipes found in other countries.
The Tin Whistle is not English
'Players of the feadan are also mentioned in the description of the King of Ireland's court found in the Brehon Laws dating from the 3rd century A.D.'
The term "penny whistle" was coined on the streets of Dublin in the late 1500's because of the whistles' prevalence among the beggars and vagabonds in Ireland. The word "tin-whistle" was also coined as early as 1825.'
True I got this info from Wikipedia but the Wikipedia article quotes very reliable sources L.E. McCullough and the Oxford English Dictionary.
# Posted on June 14th 2008 by The Tune Composer
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ha, there's a funny cross post, did you read that Wikipedia article properly TMB?????
# Posted on June 14th 2008 by The Tune Composer
Re: Ireland says NO
Factory made tin whistles may originate in England but the actual instrument doesn't. I guess beforehand people just made their own whistles
# Posted on June 14th 2008 by The Tune Composer
Re: Ireland says NO
Oh. And the bodhrán is Russian. And the spoons come from Misomer Worthy, where they were first used in the egg and spoon race, just after Aunt Sally.
# Posted on June 14th 2008 by ethical blend
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That's "Midsomer Worthy"
# Posted on June 14th 2008 by ethical blend
Re: Ireland says NO
Yes I did.
My point is that what is now considered as the "Tin whistle" stems (to my knowledge) from the advent of the industrial revolution and Clarke's idea to produce low priced instruments made of tin.
So yeah there were tin whistles before in ireland, point taken.
But, It reached it's form of today (more or .less) in Manchester as I understand it, because the Mass produced thing was for decades really the typical thing about the whistles,
Seems to be a matter of the point of view.
# Posted on June 14th 2008 by TMB
Re: Ireland says NO
Another funny cross-post, this time with the same meaning. We are in good form.
# Posted on June 14th 2008 by TMB
Re: Ireland says NO
Link to text of article on celtic instruments:
http://www.ceolas.org/instruments/bodhran/dalriadainstruments
# Posted on June 15th 2008 by Arthur Nordstrom
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artificial fertilizer
# Posted on June 15th 2008 by Lint - upon - Tweed
Re: Ireland says NO
Interesting.....Has Ireland been able to keep artificial fertilizers out of Ireland until now?
C. Nicolas
# Posted on June 16th 2008 by C. Nicolas