Does anyone play any? Has anyone tried to put sets of them together? The thing I don't understand is what makes them different from reels and slides. I understand the difference between reels and slides, but where do single jigs fit in? Is it just that they contain more triplets than reels and are played so that each quarter-eighth unit is slightly slower than a (swung) eighth-eighth in a reel? An example is the single jig called "The Long Note". How should this sound when played as a single jig to differentiate it from reels like "Jenny's Welcome to Charlie"? If it is supposed to be played like a slide, then why do people not just call them slides?
I seem to remember Gra5ity trying to explain this to me after several pints, but all I can fish out of the murky cerebral brine is that there really isn't a difference. Sorry G5, if I'm butchering your teaching, but weren't we discussing Star Above the Garter in that context? Oy.
She usually gets in first with the links doesn't she? Where are you Xena?! I reckon she sits up at her PC waiting for a thread to get posted, then she POUNCES!!!
It's early in the morning over here, 8.30. I'd usually be in bed but I got woken up just after 4am and never got back to sleep. Some yobs had stolen a car and taken it for a spin in the park opposite and then crashed it into a lamppost. I was woken up by a loud crash and a carhorn sounding continuously. Presumably the driver went into the post faster than he'd intended... Anyway, there were sirens and more bangs and crashes, so I decided to go for a walk to find out what was going on. I was ready to have a massive go at whoever it was for waking me up (and everyone else within a 5 mile radius). I decided against this when I saw that there was a fire engine in the park and they were hosing down the car. And there were police swarming everywhere looking at me suspiciously. The car theft/joyriding/burnt out wreck reminded me of back home in the northeast of England.
I've just read some posts in that 1st thread, and it looks as though slides are like:
|DA di da di diddly di di|Da di-ii di diddly da di|
and single jigs are more like:
|DA di da di DA di da di|DA di diddly DA di da|
Is that right, or is the single not accented after every six eighth?
That doesn't look right, I'll sing it again:
Slide (12/8)-fast: |DAH-di dah-di diddly dee-di|DAH di-ii di diddly dah-di|
Single jig (6/8?)-"Pop Goes The Weasel" speed: |DAH-di dah-di|DAH-di dah-di|DAH-di diddly|DAH-di dah.|
Great singing Dow!! It looks like Emily has gone to bed! Ain't it annoying being in almost the opposite time zone to the majority of other regular contributors? At least here in Oz we're a day ahead of the US [check the date, it's still yesterday night 'over there']. I'm certainly no expert on timing nuances, but would agree that the main difference to the ear is where the accented notes crop up. After all, simply put, the timing signature for the single jig implies playing half as many beats in each eight, so depending on the speed they're played at they can sound very similar in "feel". As a flat picking guitarist, I play almost the same strumming pattern for both. BTW, does everyone who plays ITM use "diddly-speak" to convey tunes/rhythms? Friends who hear me and the fiddler practicing sometimes think we've gone barking mad!!!!
PS Me and me fiddler friend made it to The Quiet Man a few weeks ago. You were right, it was a great sesh and we had a terrific chat to Billy. We were too overawed to pull our instruments out of the car this time, but have promised Billy we will join in next time. The publican (forget her name) was also interested in some of the song/tune medleys that we have learnt.
Yeah thanks Em for going to bed and leaving me singing on my own - I feel like a right idiot now
Gerry, I've been putting off starting work by playing "The Long Note", which is apparently supposed to be a single jig, but whenever I slow it down to "Pop Goes The Weasel" speed it just doesn't sound right, whereas if I speed it up it starts sounding good, but like I would normally play a slide as opposed to a single jig, i.e.
(12/8 fast slide): |DED D2A A2G E2F|
instead of...
(6/8 "Pop Goes The Weasel"): |DED D2A|A2G E2G|
Then if I speed it up even more and play rolls instead of triplets, i.e.
(2/2): |~D3A AGEF|
...then it sounds like a swung reel.
Me? Bed? What's that? I've still got 50 sq feet of tile to lay down in my dining room, I'll be up for a while....
As for sorting through your lilting, Dubg dear, I won't attempt to decipher or pretend to know if it's right or not. I'll just be the one to post annoying links to past threads, as if to say... uh, something. To confess how really lame I am, well there are 2 points. The first is that I keep my tune list on a spreadsheet. That's not that incriminating thing, the fact is I totally plagiarized JMH's format except for the fact that I am sooo lame, I have one heading for 'reels/hornpipes' & another for 'jigs/slides'. It helps conserve space for printing & eyeballing, & makes me look like I know more tunes, yeah right. But mostly, I haven't played enough in 'real' sessions to tell the real difference so I just lump 'em together. Yes, I know, it's really really pretty pathetic.
PS It's only 8pm here! Still got 'The Sunset'.... hmmm sounds like a slow reel!
Another MAJORLY lame thing about me is when I don't proofread my posts before posting, like when I use the word annoying in reference to myself, & not anybody else, in reference to what I thought would amount to posting links to stuff I really don't know much about & completely shutting down a perfectly viable thread, thereby discouraging any further conversation? OK yeah it's time to lay more tile. See you in a few days! *sob*
Well I've been crawling around on my knees all day with the new flooring, I figure I might as well. Besides, I've got a great supplication lining up in my head...
Oh, but I've got so much sympathy for you, Em...I put the new kitchen flooring in on Monday night. Was vinyl tile, though, not real tile. (Has the weirdest stuff to make it sticky, I was calling it "slug slime" by the time I was through.) My fingers hurt yesterday and today, there's no way I was going to pick up the fiddle!
Er...so what's the question, Mark? Anyway, I think I said everything I know about the blamed things in the previous threads. Insofar as I know, there's not any real emphasis difference between the single and slides. This doesn't mean there isn't one, but that I don't know of any.
For what it's worth I can only think of 2 jigs which may fit the single jig criteria (ie not a normal 6/8 one or a slide) which are Off She Goes and Smash the Windows.
Do you guys condider "Road to Lisdoonvarna" a slide or a jig? Double or single? On this site in the tunes section it's listed as a slide, but when I learned it I was told it was a jig. I suspect the way I play it makes it more a slide. What do you guys think?
Alan Ng seems to be well up on slides and single jigs, and he lists "Road To Lisdoonvarna" as a slide on his website @ http://www.irishtune.info/
I would go by what he says unless someone knowledgeable says otherwise - he seems to know what he's talking about anyway...
Slide, Andee, but if someone plays slides and single jigs the same, then it'd be a jig as well, depending on how you play the thing. It's definitely not a double/treble jig. Definitely a single jig. The feis musicians play it for single jigs all the time.
Keeping in mind that we're once again putting the music into straight (strait?) jackets that it wasn't meant to fit into. Classical music signatures are only close approximations of what the music is played as...
But if you were told that it was a single jig then at least you'd know to play it like (slow): "dum-ty dum-ty dum-ty dah", and if you were told it was a slide, then you'd be like (Dow looks skyward as if concentrating): "dum-ty dah-di dump-ty dah, dum-ty diddly dum-ty diddly". 'Cause there's a massive difference is there not?
from what i can gather from playing them its basically the same timing but the emphasis in the way the tune swings is different.I'm open to correction in this,hope it helps.
Adh mór leis.
Buzz.
Oh dear, between your lilting & my wrongfooting it all over the place, by the time we reach Zina's house, she'll have put her For Sale sign up & left no forwarding address.
FWIW, the slide I"m thinking of goes "Dumty dippity - dum dippity - dumty dumty - dumty dippity" which although written in 6/8 could easily be 4/4. I'm keeping a strait jacket in the boot for emergencies you know.
BTW I faffed around for hours learning tunes yesterday and didn't get started studying till the early evening. I was so horrified with myself that I worked really hard in the end and wrote quite a bit. Whether it was any good or not is another matter, but I was listening to Eileen Iver's setting of "Jenny's Welcome To Charlie" and teaching myself how to do some of her ornamentation which was far more interesting. I'd been meaning to sit down and learn it for a while.
Thanks, Dubg! But you know it's only b/c the acoustics are so much better in here since I pulled up that dreadful carpeting.
Can you really listen to Irish music & do anything productive? I mean that requires critical thinking, not like driving or washing dishes. If it's a tune I want to learn, it's no good having it on as background b/c I'll just pick up the closest instrument & hit repeat on the CD player.
No, exactly, I was listening/playing therefore I couldn't work. It was interesting and therefore I couldn't study until early evening, by which time I was too tired to write anything coherent. There's no way I could work with Irish music on in the background, cause you just have to go and get your instrument and play along, or learn tunes.
Sorry, I got the impression you were listening to Eileen Ivers whilst writing your wee monograph. Do you listen to other types of music if engaged in critical thinking? Myself, I usually prefer silence I think. Although I also really enjoy it when they play upbeat Motown in the operating room.
Well A. That's why I don't have a TV. & B. I work tomorrow & the weekend, so I'm seriously off to bed to make up for my sleep deficit from nocturnal tiling activities.
Regarding requesing a set of single jigs, my band (barraband.com) plays John Kelly's/Patsy Geary's/Hundred Pipers.
It's a great set. Patsy Geary's is on an early Planxty I think, also sometimes called the yellow rose of texas jig.... fun tune.
Single jigs
Single jigs
Does anyone play any? Has anyone tried to put sets of them together? The thing I don't understand is what makes them different from reels and slides. I understand the difference between reels and slides, but where do single jigs fit in? Is it just that they contain more triplets than reels and are played so that each quarter-eighth unit is slightly slower than a (swung) eighth-eighth in a reel? An example is the single jig called "The Long Note". How should this sound when played as a single jig to differentiate it from reels like "Jenny's Welcome to Charlie"? If it is supposed to be played like a slide, then why do people not just call them slides?
# Posted on May 21st 2003 by Dr. Dow
Re: Single jigs
Dubg, how late is it where you are?
I seem to remember Gra5ity trying to explain this to me after several pints, but all I can fish out of the murky cerebral brine is that there really isn't a difference. Sorry G5, if I'm butchering your teaching, but weren't we discussing Star Above the Garter in that context? Oy.
# Posted on May 21st 2003 by emily_bmore
Re: Single jigs
Also here's a pretty good thread.... beat you Zina! hee
http://www.thesession.org/discussions/display.php/1025
# Posted on May 21st 2003 by emily_bmore
Re: Single jigs
Ooo here's an oldie but a goodie too called Fast Slides?...
must stop searching archive... quicksand pulling me in....
http://www.thesession.org/discussions/display.php/198
# Posted on May 21st 2003 by emily_bmore
Re: Single jigs
She usually gets in first with the links doesn't she? Where are you Xena?! I reckon she sits up at her PC waiting for a thread to get posted, then she POUNCES!!!
It's early in the morning over here, 8.30. I'd usually be in bed but I got woken up just after 4am and never got back to sleep. Some yobs had stolen a car and taken it for a spin in the park opposite and then crashed it into a lamppost. I was woken up by a loud crash and a carhorn sounding continuously. Presumably the driver went into the post faster than he'd intended... Anyway, there were sirens and more bangs and crashes, so I decided to go for a walk to find out what was going on. I was ready to have a massive go at whoever it was for waking me up (and everyone else within a 5 mile radius). I decided against this when I saw that there was a fire engine in the park and they were hosing down the car. And there were police swarming everywhere looking at me suspiciously. The car theft/joyriding/burnt out wreck reminded me of back home in the northeast of England.
# Posted on May 21st 2003 by Dr. Dow
Re: Single jigs
I've just read some posts in that 1st thread, and it looks as though slides are like:
|DA di da di diddly di di|Da di-ii di diddly da di|
and single jigs are more like:
|DA di da di DA di da di|DA di diddly DA di da|
Is that right, or is the single not accented after every six eighth?
# Posted on May 21st 2003 by Dr. Dow
Re: Single jigs
That doesn't look right, I'll sing it again:
Slide (12/8)-fast: |DAH-di dah-di diddly dee-di|DAH di-ii di diddly dah-di|
Single jig (6/8?)-"Pop Goes The Weasel" speed: |DAH-di dah-di|DAH-di dah-di|DAH-di diddly|DAH-di dah.|
# Posted on May 21st 2003 by Dr. Dow
Re: Single jigs
Great singing Dow!! It looks like Emily has gone to bed! Ain't it annoying being in almost the opposite time zone to the majority of other regular contributors? At least here in Oz we're a day ahead of the US
[check the date, it's still yesterday night 'over there']. I'm certainly no expert on timing nuances, but would agree that the main difference to the ear is where the accented notes crop up. After all, simply put, the timing signature for the single jig implies playing half as many beats in each eight, so depending on the speed they're played at they can sound very similar in "feel". As a flat picking guitarist, I play almost the same strumming pattern for both. BTW, does everyone who plays ITM use "diddly-speak" to convey tunes/rhythms? 
Friends who hear me and the fiddler practicing sometimes think we've gone barking mad!!!!
PS Me and me fiddler friend made it to The Quiet Man a few weeks ago. You were right, it was a great sesh and we had a terrific chat to Billy. We were too overawed to pull our instruments out of the car this time, but have promised Billy we will join in next time. The publican (forget her name) was also interested in some of the song/tune medleys that we have learnt.
# Posted on May 21st 2003 by GerryTh
Re: Single jigs
Yeah thanks Em for going to bed and leaving me singing on my own - I feel like a right idiot now
Gerry, I've been putting off starting work by playing "The Long Note", which is apparently supposed to be a single jig, but whenever I slow it down to "Pop Goes The Weasel" speed it just doesn't sound right, whereas if I speed it up it starts sounding good, but like I would normally play a slide as opposed to a single jig, i.e.
(12/8 fast slide): |DED D2A A2G E2F|
instead of...
(6/8 "Pop Goes The Weasel"): |DED D2A|A2G E2G|
Then if I speed it up even more and play rolls instead of triplets, i.e.
(2/2): |~D3A AGEF|
...then it sounds like a swung reel.
# Posted on May 21st 2003 by Dr. Dow
Re: Single jigs
Me? Bed? What's that? I've still got 50 sq feet of tile to lay down in my dining room, I'll be up for a while....
As for sorting through your lilting, Dubg dear, I won't attempt to decipher or pretend to know if it's right or not. I'll just be the one to post annoying links to past threads, as if to say... uh, something. To confess how really lame I am, well there are 2 points. The first is that I keep my tune list on a spreadsheet. That's not that incriminating thing, the fact is I totally plagiarized JMH's format except for the fact that I am sooo lame, I have one heading for 'reels/hornpipes' & another for 'jigs/slides'. It helps conserve space for printing & eyeballing, & makes me look like I know more tunes, yeah right. But mostly, I haven't played enough in 'real' sessions to tell the real difference so I just lump 'em together. Yes, I know, it's really really pretty pathetic.
PS It's only 8pm here! Still got 'The Sunset'.... hmmm sounds like a slow reel!
# Posted on May 21st 2003 by emily_bmore
Lame Lame Lame
Another MAJORLY lame thing about me is when I don't proofread my posts before posting, like when I use the word annoying in reference to myself, & not anybody else, in reference to what I thought would amount to posting links to stuff I really don't know much about & completely shutting down a perfectly viable thread, thereby discouraging any further conversation? OK yeah it's time to lay more tile. See you in a few days! *sob*
# Posted on May 21st 2003 by emily_bmore
Re: Single jigs
I am sitting with our real estate agent watching my husband sign form after form just at the moment, and so I am ignoring all of you.... *snort*
They just asked me if I'm typing in time with the polkas playing on purpose... hehehe (the answer is "no", I wasn't, and now I can't type!)
zls
# Posted on May 21st 2003 by Zina Lee
Re: Single jigs
Uh, can I grovel now?
# Posted on May 21st 2003 by emily_bmore
Re: Single jigs
E minor, if you go and do your floor tiling I'll go and study like I'm supposed to be doing.
# Posted on May 21st 2003 by Dr. Dow
Re: Single jigs
Well I've been crawling around on my knees all day with the new flooring, I figure I might as well. Besides, I've got a great supplication lining up in my head...
# Posted on May 21st 2003 by emily_bmore
Re: Single jigs
If Emily goes back to tiling, and Dow goes back to studying, maybe I should get back to work!!!
# Posted on May 21st 2003 by GerryTh
Re: Single jigs
Oh, but I've got so much sympathy for you, Em...I put the new kitchen flooring in on Monday night. Was vinyl tile, though, not real tile. (Has the weirdest stuff to make it sticky, I was calling it "slug slime" by the time I was through.) My fingers hurt yesterday and today, there's no way I was going to pick up the fiddle!
Er...so what's the question, Mark? Anyway, I think I said everything I know about the blamed things in the previous threads. Insofar as I know, there's not any real emphasis difference between the single and slides. This doesn't mean there isn't one, but that I don't know of any.
zls
zls
# Posted on May 21st 2003 by Zina Lee
Re: Single jigs
For what it's worth I can only think of 2 jigs which may fit the single jig criteria (ie not a normal 6/8 one or a slide) which are Off She Goes and Smash the Windows.
# Posted on May 21st 2003 by Bannerman
Re: Single jigs
Do you guys condider "Road to Lisdoonvarna" a slide or a jig? Double or single? On this site in the tunes section it's listed as a slide, but when I learned it I was told it was a jig. I suspect the way I play it makes it more a slide. What do you guys think?
# Posted on May 21st 2003 by Andee
Re: Single jigs
Alan Ng seems to be well up on slides and single jigs, and he lists "Road To Lisdoonvarna" as a slide on his website @ http://www.irishtune.info/
I would go by what he says unless someone knowledgeable says otherwise - he seems to know what he's talking about anyway...
# Posted on May 21st 2003 by Dr. Dow
Re: Single jigs
Slide, Andee, but if someone plays slides and single jigs the same, then it'd be a jig as well, depending on how you play the thing. It's definitely not a double/treble jig. Definitely a single jig. The feis musicians play it for single jigs all the time.
Keeping in mind that we're once again putting the music into straight (strait?) jackets that it wasn't meant to fit into. Classical music signatures are only close approximations of what the music is played as...
# Posted on May 22nd 2003 by Zina Lee
Re: Single jigs
But if you were told that it was a single jig then at least you'd know to play it like (slow): "dum-ty dum-ty dum-ty dah", and if you were told it was a slide, then you'd be like (Dow looks skyward as if concentrating): "dum-ty dah-di dump-ty dah, dum-ty diddly dum-ty diddly". 'Cause there's a massive difference is there not?
# Posted on May 22nd 2003 by Dr. Dow
Actually there's a few tunes I'd like to put into a straitjacket
# Posted on May 22nd 2003 by Dr. Dow
Re: Single jigs
from what i can gather from playing them its basically the same timing but the emphasis in the way the tune swings is different.I'm open to correction in this,hope it helps.
Adh mór leis.
Buzz.
# Posted on May 22nd 2003 by buzz
Re: Single jigs
You're still at the dumty dum?
Oh dear, between your lilting & my wrongfooting it all over the place, by the time we reach Zina's house, she'll have put her For Sale sign up & left no forwarding address.
FWIW, the slide I"m thinking of goes "Dumty dippity - dum dippity - dumty dumty - dumty dippity" which although written in 6/8 could easily be 4/4. I'm keeping a strait jacket in the boot for emergencies you know.
# Posted on May 22nd 2003 by emily_bmore
Re: Single jigs
E minor, what a wonderful singing voice you have!
# Posted on May 22nd 2003 by Dr. Dow
Re: Single jigs
BTW I faffed around for hours learning tunes yesterday and didn't get started studying till the early evening. I was so horrified with myself that I worked really hard in the end and wrote quite a bit. Whether it was any good or not is another matter, but I was listening to Eileen Iver's setting of "Jenny's Welcome To Charlie" and teaching myself how to do some of her ornamentation which was far more interesting. I'd been meaning to sit down and learn it for a while.
# Posted on May 22nd 2003 by Dr. Dow
Re: Single jigs
Thanks, Dubg! But you know it's only b/c the acoustics are so much better in here since I pulled up that dreadful carpeting.
Can you really listen to Irish music & do anything productive? I mean that requires critical thinking, not like driving or washing dishes. If it's a tune I want to learn, it's no good having it on as background b/c I'll just pick up the closest instrument & hit repeat on the CD player.
# Posted on May 22nd 2003 by emily_bmore
Re: Single jigs
No, exactly, I was listening/playing therefore I couldn't work. It was interesting and therefore I couldn't study until early evening, by which time I was too tired to write anything coherent. There's no way I could work with Irish music on in the background, cause you just have to go and get your instrument and play along, or learn tunes.
# Posted on May 22nd 2003 by Dr. Dow
Re: Single jigs
Sorry, I got the impression you were listening to Eileen Ivers whilst writing your wee monograph. Do you listen to other types of music if engaged in critical thinking? Myself, I usually prefer silence I think. Although I also really enjoy it when they play upbeat Motown in the operating room.
# Posted on May 22nd 2003 by emily_bmore
Re: Single jigs
I have to have silence because I'm so easily distracted from working. So stop talking to me because I really must do more today.
Well, I might just have something for lunch first. And there's something I want to watch on TV
# Posted on May 22nd 2003 by Dr. Dow
Re: Single jigs
Hahaha!!!
Well A. That's why I don't have a TV. & B. I work tomorrow & the weekend, so I'm seriously off to bed to make up for my sleep deficit from nocturnal tiling activities.
Now get to work!
# Posted on May 22nd 2003 by emily_bmore
Re: Single jigs
Regarding requesing a set of single jigs, my band (barraband.com) plays John Kelly's/Patsy Geary's/Hundred Pipers.
It's a great set. Patsy Geary's is on an early Planxty I think, also sometimes called the yellow rose of texas jig.... fun tune.
# Posted on May 25th 2003 by Green Fiddle
Re: Single jigs
Ta - I'll look those up.
# Posted on May 26th 2003 by Dr. Dow