Congrats to Jeremy and this site for passing the 3000 tune mark. I've only been "tuned in" to this site for a short time and have been amazed by the tune list growth! As well as all the informative dialog.
I've been playing fiddle for only a little over a year. Being self taught, I've managed to build my own list to over 20 ITM tunes. I thought that to be an impossible thing when I first started. This site, it's midis and music notations have helped me along considerably!
I think I see what has happened. A broad-base search in Tunes will indeed come up with 3002, but this is a list of tune names. In practice, many tunes will be known by a number of different names, so the current 1659 can easily be encompassed in 3002 names. But there are still only 1659 actual tunes, aren't there?
Trevor
Maybe not, Trevor, as although, as you rightly point out, you can get one tune with 6 names, you can also get 3 or more tunes with the same name! eg the Geese in the Bog, or that old favourite Gan Ainm. So there maybe more than 1659 after all!
I should also add that there is a small number of tunes in the 1659 that have duplicates which have slipped through the net for one reason or another. And there is a small number of serial numbers in the tune sequence that have been deleted. The actual number of tunes is therefore a little less than 1659. Sorry!
Trevor
I think it just means "Without a name". As for the Geese in the Bog, it's almost a standing joke in some circles, when, if you've just finished playing a set and someone asks what the penultimate or whatever one was called, and you don't know yourself, you just say, "oh, that was The Geese in the Bog!"
On that basis, I'm surprised it has so few entries.
Danny, I've used "The Blind Stag" or "Sally by the docks" in reply to a query, but only when asked by a non-playing person in the pub who's only idly interested.
Trevor
I was thinking more of the idea where you say, to other musicians who know the craic, 'Geese in the bog', which is sessionese for 'I don't know it's name'. If you say it enough on many different tunes, to people who don't know, they'll eventually get the joke.
Either that, or they'll be thinking, Jeez, not only does Irish music all sound the same, but it's all called the same name....
Danny, I've used "Sally by the docks" a couple of times at the Nova Scotia, which is an old dockside pub in Bristol. Actually, it's probably not a bad name for a real tune, if anyone would want to write it. If you're in the bar of the Nova Scotia, the sound blasting out of the session room from 20 - 30 players in full flight can be almost indistinguisable from white noise. I've been in the bar collecting a drink and I didn't have the faintest idea of what was being played.
Trevor
3000 tunes!!!
3000 tunes!!!
Congrats to Jeremy and this site for passing the 3000 tune mark. I've only been "tuned in" to this site for a short time and have been amazed by the tune list growth! As well as all the informative dialog.
I've been playing fiddle for only a little over a year. Being self taught, I've managed to build my own list to over 20 ITM tunes. I thought that to be an impossible thing when I first started. This site, it's midis and music notations have helped me along considerably!
Thank again!
# Posted on May 15th 2003 by Robby B.
Re: 3000 tunes!!!
Er... am I missing something? As I write, the latest tune on the list is #1659 - "Marino", a waltz.
Trevor
# Posted on May 15th 2003 by Trevor Jennings
Re: 3000 tunes!!!
Um.....maybe I'm missing something. I do a search of all tunes in all keys and get 3002!
# Posted on May 15th 2003 by Robby B.
Re: 3000 tunes!!!
I think I see what has happened. A broad-base search in Tunes will indeed come up with 3002, but this is a list of tune names. In practice, many tunes will be known by a number of different names, so the current 1659 can easily be encompassed in 3002 names. But there are still only 1659 actual tunes, aren't there?
Trevor
# Posted on May 15th 2003 by Trevor Jennings
Re: 3000 tunes!!!
Maybe not, Trevor, as although, as you rightly point out, you can get one tune with 6 names, you can also get 3 or more tunes with the same name! eg the Geese in the Bog, or that old favourite Gan Ainm. So there maybe more than 1659 after all!
Danny.
# Posted on May 15th 2003 by Rudall the time
Re: 3000 tunes!!!
I should also add that there is a small number of tunes in the 1659 that have duplicates which have slipped through the net for one reason or another. And there is a small number of serial numbers in the tune sequence that have been deleted. The actual number of tunes is therefore a little less than 1659. Sorry!
Trevor
# Posted on May 15th 2003 by Trevor Jennings
PS Would Jeremy like to adjudicate?
Trevor
# Posted on May 15th 2003 by Trevor Jennings
Re: 3000 tunes!!!
Phew! I retrospectively tested my several tuned-name theory and to my relief I found I was right.
Do a search for Gan Ainm for a laugh.....
Danny.
# Posted on May 15th 2003 by Rudall the time
Re: 3000 tunes!!!
I hereby retract my kudos for 3000 tunes and shift it to kudos
for 1600 tunes!!!
# Posted on May 15th 2003 by Robby B.
Re: 3000 tunes!!!
Danny, good example! Will the real Gan Ainm please stand up?!
# Posted on May 15th 2003 by Robby B.
Re: 3000 tunes!!!
Three thousand? Crikey. Three thousand tunes that all sound the same? What a lovely bunch of anoraks
# Posted on May 15th 2003 by ...
Re: 3000 tunes!!!
I think it just means "Without a name". As for the Geese in the Bog, it's almost a standing joke in some circles, when, if you've just finished playing a set and someone asks what the penultimate or whatever one was called, and you don't know yourself, you just say, "oh, that was The Geese in the Bog!"
On that basis, I'm surprised it has so few entries.
Danny.
# Posted on May 15th 2003 by Rudall the time
Re: 3000 tunes!!!
Danny, I've used "The Blind Stag" or "Sally by the docks" in reply to a query, but only when asked by a non-playing person in the pub who's only idly interested.
Trevor
# Posted on May 15th 2003 by Trevor Jennings
Re: 3000 tunes!!!
Sally by the docks, indeed Trevor!
I was thinking more of the idea where you say, to other musicians who know the craic, 'Geese in the bog', which is sessionese for 'I don't know it's name'. If you say it enough on many different tunes, to people who don't know, they'll eventually get the joke.
Either that, or they'll be thinking, Jeez, not only does Irish music all sound the same, but it's all called the same name....
Or...they play that tune an awfull lot...
Danny.
# Posted on May 15th 2003 by Rudall the time
Re: 3000 tunes!!!
Danny, I've used "Sally by the docks" a couple of times at the Nova Scotia, which is an old dockside pub in Bristol. Actually, it's probably not a bad name for a real tune, if anyone would want to write it. If you're in the bar of the Nova Scotia, the sound blasting out of the session room from 20 - 30 players in full flight can be almost indistinguisable from white noise. I've been in the bar collecting a drink and I didn't have the faintest idea of what was being played.
Trevor
# Posted on May 15th 2003 by Trevor Jennings
Re: 3000 tunes!!!
20-30 players!! Aagghh!!
That's somewhere around 15-25 more than my max desirable number at a sesh.
White noise indeed...you really must get out of the orchestral mind-set, Trevor.... (Joke)
Anyway...
Check this out for the number of Gan Ainm/untitled tunes around:
http://www.irishtune.info/untitled-book.htm
Danny.
# Posted on May 15th 2003 by Rudall the time