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Recognize these fiddle tunes?

Recognize these fiddle tunes?

I've searched the archives and couldn't find a discussion on this topic. I hope you don't mind me asking this question in this forum. I'm hoping someone can identify the tunes heard in this clip from Masterpiece Theatre's (with ITV) presentation of Mansfield Park that was broadcast on US TV last night.

I wondering about the first two tunes heard on this clip on YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cCisw4SuhM

Although they refer to it as "Portsmouth," I believe the third tune is "Tythe Pig."

# Posted on January 28th 2008 by Molly-Mo

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The first tune is a well known reel called the "Old Bush"

# Posted on January 28th 2008 by p-diddly07

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Second tune -aaaaaargh - I can play it but I can't remember the title. It's an English 4/4 hornpipe. Third tune is not the usual 'Portsmouth', so may not be Portsmouth at all - http://www.ceolas.org/cgi-bin/ht2/ht2-fc2/file=/tunes/fc2/fc.html&style=&refer=&abstract=&ftpstyle=&grab=&linemode=&max=250?Portsmouth gives several Portsmouths

# Posted on January 28th 2008 by c.g.

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The 2nd one is a James Hill tune http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/4376

# Posted on January 28th 2008 by Dr. Dow

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Oh, how I miss the soothingly rural-sounding contact call of the Tawny Owl. All I get now is the harsh screeches of giant, urban Flying Foxes frazzling themselves on the power lines outside my bedroom window.

# Posted on January 28th 2008 by Dr. Dow

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So where are you now, pray tell? Bogabilla? or don't say you're in Darwin? Cairns? urban flying foxes, mmmmmmm - Brisy?

# Posted on January 28th 2008 by Clear Drops

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I agree on 'Tythe Pig' my notes also say - King Arthur, or the British Worthy, Act V song and chorus, 1691.

# Posted on January 28th 2008 by vonnieestes

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I understand that flying foxes, because of their diet, are tasty, including spitted and given the usual barbie treatment. No, I don't mean a dye and perm... :-/

# Posted on January 28th 2008 by ceolachan

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Somehow Dow I can't imagine you gutting anything... I'm surprised you're not vegetarian...

# Posted on January 28th 2008 by ceolachan

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Izzit just me, or were those tunes really the best part of the program?

# Posted on January 28th 2008 by Bob himself

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Strange - I didn't like the way the first tune was played at all - all classically, and yet out of time. Dunno how on earth you could dance to it. The second one was lovely though - different fiddler by the sound of it.

And where the bleeding hell were the orchestra hiding that played the third tune?

# Posted on January 28th 2008 by ethical blend

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So, the story is set in the very early 1800's.
It features a tune by James Hill (1811 - 1853)
The third tune sounds as if it's played by a full 20th century orchestra though the visuals only show two musicians.
I don't know what style the first two tunes are played in, but it certainly isn't English.
Yep, the meejah are treating music with their usual respect and knowledge.

The tunes are still better than the rest of the programme.

# Posted on January 28th 2008 by c.g.

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Thanks you so much!

Bob himself asked:

"Izzit just me, or were those tunes the really the best part of the program?"

It's not just you. ;)
Not to mention that the plot and characters bore practically no resemblance to Austen's plot and characters (Billie Piper notwithstanding, an all). But I did enjoy the trad tunes, so I really appreciate you indentifying them for me.

c.g. mentions the anachonism of the music and orchestration with the time setting of the story-- unfortunately this is true all too often-- sort of like "Ashokan Farewell" during Ken Burns' The Civil War.

A similar circumstance occurrs in a new mini series of Sense and Sensibility that aired on BBC One a couple of weeks ago. The story takes place during the late 1790's, yet "Fireside Polka" is used for a dance sequence. I doubt the tune dates back that far-- off by more than a hundred years, I think. And was the melodeon even invented yet? I noticed that they never showed the melodeon player, though. I'm told that the performers are Spiers and Boden. They sound great, even if the music is wrong for the time period.

Here's a clip, if anyone is interested. (The music begins approx. 2:15 into the clip)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XIOEAFxOmA

Incidentally, I'd love to know the name of the tune being played on the fiddle following the dance sequence.

# Posted on January 28th 2008 by Molly-Mo

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Hey, Ceolachan, sounds as though Dow's flying foxes might come ready cooked. "frazzling themselves on the powerlines". Good tucker! Hmmmm "big" ones, plenty for sharing.
Around here, if you haven't seen someone for a while and you ask someone else where that someone is, the stock answer is "Somewhere". Where ever it is, it is okay as long as the someone knows where he/she is him/her self. and I guess Dow knows where he is, so its all right. No need to worry. He isn't lost from the yellowboard, and that's the main thing, I guess. Just curious.

# Posted on January 28th 2008 by Clear Drops

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Is it Brissy?

# Posted on January 30th 2008 by Clear Drops

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