I read somewhere that Tim Edey plays more than ten instruments to virtuoso standard- and - if I understand his comments on this clip- he can't read a note. Brilliant!
It may be the basses - I used to get the same complaint (not from another box player I might say) until I stopped the vamping - but it may be that, like me, Cathy played English music for years.
-- "We all know you can only play Irish music on B/C or C#/D" but this clip makes me wonder... --
Only a complete fool would maintain that you can't play Irish music on a D/G. The question is, how much of it can you play? Answer: A lot. How much _can't_ you play? Answer: A fair bit... So if you don't mind having that "fair bit" off limits to you, go ahead, play D/G.
I _would_ mind. And I heard a rumour that Tim Edey is going over to C#/D and if it's true, well nanny-nanny-doo-doo!
chadmills,
it is known as the old style,many players played like this before the advent of the bc,some forty years ago.
some players in this area here in ireland play bc ,in c,using the basses.it is not an exclusively English style.They are playing it like a one row.
using the basses is very useful in a noisy pub.
RoseMurphy used toplay like this,
however Cathy[has taken it further ] and is using ornamentation on the right handside [proper fiddle rolls]something that english players very rarely do,she is also crossrowing, so she is not playing like it was two one rows
It's known as extended melodeon style. The 2 rows allow you to play G and A min tunes on the G row and D and Emin tunes on the B row. It lacks the chromaticism of the half-step tunings but maintains the rythm. Crossing the rows allows some smooth runs and with the addition of a few accidentals (typically placed at the top of the keyboard) most fiddle tunes can be played. The flat keys are virtually impossible so the DG player gets to stop and have a drink.
The advantage over the BC and C#D is the more rythmic playing and useful basses, the disadvanta.ge the lack of chromaticism.
Paul, it seems the style you are talking about in your last post ("extended melodeon" style, or whatever) refers to the way Cathy Cook plays on those YouTube clips.
But this thread began with Tim Edey, whose style is poles apart from what Cathy is doing.
If we're discussing the suitability of D/G for ITM, I just don't see Cathy's style, however venerable it may be, making many converts in today's world. I thnk you'll see a rack full of penny farthing bicycles parked outside the session pub first.
JeevesTones said
If we're discussing the suitability of D/G for ITM, I just don't see Cathy's style, however venerable it may be, making many converts in today's world. I thnk you'll see a rack full of penny farthing bicycles parked outside the session pub first.
goto her site on youtube,see how many subscribers she has ,you will see she is making converts.
I have played with her many times in Irish pubs,the response has always been good.
what makes Irish music interesting is that there are many different styles,how boring if everyone played thesame way.
Extended melodeon style has nothing to do with age but with what is possible on the instrument. Tim plays a DG therefore he is playing extended melodeon style no matter how virtuosic his performance (and it is). He shows what is possible with that style and I would wager that few people could tell it was a DG box.
Actually the idea of having a rack of penny farthings parked outside my session pub quite appeals to me Tim Edey's style is obviously very different, and much more virtuosic, than my own, such different styles on the same instrument hopefully show that the DG is not as limited as many people think. I play the way I do because I like the sound of the vamped basses, and don't see the point in having an instrument with basses if you never use them, Tim doesn't use his basses, leaving himself more scope for virtuosity on the right hand side.
JimBainbridge,another dg player who use his basseswho played irish music, also used to live very close to us in IRELAND.
Jim was extremely popular in this locality, playing both for dancing , and in pubs and was often booked at least four nights a week.
the majority of irish people in this area like to hear traditional irish music played well,and couldnt care a toss whether it was BC,DG, C#D,CC#,DD#,CF.or wxyz.
"The majority of irish people in this area like to hear traditional irish music played well,and couldnt care a toss whether it was BC,DG, C#D,CC#,DD#,CF.or wxyz."
Well that's my attitude too. And I also think that the basses are there to be used. So keep on pedalling, everyone...
I agree with the above. DG generates a different pulse, or rhythm from BC, from the different pushing and pulling involved, but my guess is that really the only people who would notice would be other box players!
(speaking as a DG player [of sorts] myself)
I have been with Cathy on at least six occassions,when she has been approached by BC/C#D Players who clearly couldnt tell the difference,they thought it was their own system and wanted to play.
good ITM music can be played on any system.
If I was a BCplayer I would have two boxes,one for playing in the keys of BC with basses,and one for playing in DG.
Ihave heard Seamus Begley play in the keys of B C,cant remember if he used the basses,however Ican think of at least three players around here,who do play, [all the time] in the keys of BC.
Fair play to Cathy for her playing on Youtube and nice to have her comments. (One of the great things about the trad music world, people are never far away!)
I guess what made me start this thread was that seeing Cathy's clips I would have guessed she was playing D/G. Tim Edey's playing, I wouldn't have guessed.
Old Chestnut - ITM on D/G
Old Chestnut - ITM on D/G
They say workplace productivity plummets this week....
"We all know you can only play Irish music on B/C or C#/D" but this clip makes me wonder.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMZZgEtoBbQ&feature=related
# Posted on December 18th 2007 by TomB-R
Re: Old Chestnut - ITM on D/G
Wow! - he's nearly as good as me......
# Posted on December 18th 2007 by Rudall the time
Re: Old Chestnut - ITM on D/G
I know that guy! He played accordion on a CD i've just been packaging (you get to know the names after 1000 sleeves) - such a great great player
# Posted on December 18th 2007 by mehitabel23
Re: Old Chestnut - ITM on D/G
Gifted. Nice playing.
# Posted on December 18th 2007 by session savage
Re: Old Chestnut - ITM on D/G
I read somewhere that Tim Edey plays more than ten instruments to virtuoso standard- and - if I understand his comments on this clip- he can't read a note. Brilliant!
# Posted on December 18th 2007 by Here Lyeth
Re: Old Chestnut - ITM on D/G
There are quite a few others about, Chris Parkinson, Dave Mallinson to name a couple.
# Posted on December 19th 2007 by Paul_draper
Re: Old Chestnut - ITM on D/G
CathyCook,see cathycook1youtube.
playing irish reels jigs etc using basses, cross rowing,putting in rolls and other irish ornamentation.
# Posted on December 19th 2007 by Dick Miles
Re: Old Chestnut - ITM on D/G
The tunes may be irish, but the playing seems very English melodeon to me. Perhaps it's the basses....
# Posted on December 19th 2007 by TomB-R
Re: Old Chestnut - ITM on D/G
Cathy Cook's that is.
# Posted on December 19th 2007 by TomB-R
Re: Old Chestnut - ITM on D/G
It may be the basses - I used to get the same complaint (not from another box player I might say) until I stopped the vamping - but it may be that, like me, Cathy played English music for years.
# Posted on December 19th 2007 by Paul_draper
Re: Old Chestnut - ITM on D/G
-- "We all know you can only play Irish music on B/C or C#/D" but this clip makes me wonder... --
Only a complete fool would maintain that you can't play Irish music on a D/G. The question is, how much of it can you play? Answer: A lot. How much _can't_ you play? Answer: A fair bit... So if you don't mind having that "fair bit" off limits to you, go ahead, play D/G.
I _would_ mind. And I heard a rumour that Tim Edey is going over to C#/D and if it's true, well nanny-nanny-doo-doo!
# Posted on December 19th 2007 by Jeeves Tones
Re: Old Chestnut - ITM on D/G
Is that something to do with goats?
# Posted on December 19th 2007 by TomB-R
Re: Old Chestnut - ITM on D/G
chadmills,
it is known as the old style,many players played like this before the advent of the bc,some forty years ago.
some players in this area here in ireland play bc ,in c,using the basses.it is not an exclusively English style.They are playing it like a one row.
using the basses is very useful in a noisy pub.
RoseMurphy used toplay like this,
however Cathy[has taken it further ] and is using ornamentation on the right handside [proper fiddle rolls]something that english players very rarely do,she is also crossrowing, so she is not playing like it was two one rows
# Posted on December 19th 2007 by Dick Miles
Re: Old Chestnut - ITM on D/G
Ah, right, thanks for the info.
There's nearly always more to things than meets the eye, (or ear.)
# Posted on December 19th 2007 by TomB-R
Re: Old Chestnut - ITM on D/G
It's known as extended melodeon style. The 2 rows allow you to play G and A min tunes on the G row and D and Emin tunes on the B row. It lacks the chromaticism of the half-step tunings but maintains the rythm. Crossing the rows allows some smooth runs and with the addition of a few accidentals (typically placed at the top of the keyboard) most fiddle tunes can be played. The flat keys are virtually impossible so the DG player gets to stop and have a drink.
The advantage over the BC and C#D is the more rythmic playing and useful basses, the disadvanta.ge the lack of chromaticism.
# Posted on December 20th 2007 by Paul_draper
Re: Old Chestnut - ITM on D/G
Paul, it seems the style you are talking about in your last post ("extended melodeon" style, or whatever) refers to the way Cathy Cook plays on those YouTube clips.
But this thread began with Tim Edey, whose style is poles apart from what Cathy is doing.
If we're discussing the suitability of D/G for ITM, I just don't see Cathy's style, however venerable it may be, making many converts in today's world. I thnk you'll see a rack full of penny farthing bicycles parked outside the session pub first.
# Posted on December 20th 2007 by Jeeves Tones
Re: Old Chestnut - ITM on D/G
JeevesTones said
If we're discussing the suitability of D/G for ITM, I just don't see Cathy's style, however venerable it may be, making many converts in today's world. I thnk you'll see a rack full of penny farthing bicycles parked outside the session pub first.
goto her site on youtube,see how many subscribers she has ,you will see she is making converts.
I have played with her many times in Irish pubs,the response has always been good.
what makes Irish music interesting is that there are many different styles,how boring if everyone played thesame way.
# Posted on December 20th 2007 by Dick Miles
Re: Old Chestnut - ITM on D/G
Extended melodeon style has nothing to do with age but with what is possible on the instrument. Tim plays a DG therefore he is playing extended melodeon style no matter how virtuosic his performance (and it is). He shows what is possible with that style and I would wager that few people could tell it was a DG box.
# Posted on December 20th 2007 by Paul_draper
Re: Old Chestnut - ITM on D/G
Actually the idea of having a rack of penny farthings parked outside my session pub quite appeals to me
Tim Edey's style is obviously very different, and much more virtuosic, than my own, such different styles on the same instrument hopefully show that the DG is not as limited as many people think. I play the way I do because I like the sound of the vamped basses, and don't see the point in having an instrument with basses if you never use them, Tim doesn't use his basses, leaving himself more scope for virtuosity on the right hand side.
# Posted on December 20th 2007 by cathycook
Re: Old Chestnut - ITM on D/G
JimBainbridge,another dg player who use his basseswho played irish music, also used to live very close to us in IRELAND.
Jim was extremely popular in this locality, playing both for dancing , and in pubs and was often booked at least four nights a week.
the majority of irish people in this area like to hear traditional irish music played well,and couldnt care a toss whether it was BC,DG, C#D,CC#,DD#,CF.or wxyz.
# Posted on December 20th 2007 by cathycook
Re: Old Chestnut - ITM on D/G
"The majority of irish people in this area like to hear traditional irish music played well,and couldnt care a toss whether it was BC,DG, C#D,CC#,DD#,CF.or wxyz."
Well that's my attitude too. And I also think that the basses are there to be used. So keep on pedalling, everyone...
# Posted on December 20th 2007 by Jeeves Tones
Re: Old Chestnut - ITM on D/G
I agree with the above. DG generates a different pulse, or rhythm from BC, from the different pushing and pulling involved, but my guess is that really the only people who would notice would be other box players!
(speaking as a DG player [of sorts] myself)
# Posted on December 20th 2007 by Rudall the time
Re: Old Chestnut - ITM on D/G
I have been with Cathy on at least six occassions,when she has been approached by BC/C#D Players who clearly couldnt tell the difference,they thought it was their own system and wanted to play.
good ITM music can be played on any system.
If I was a BCplayer I would have two boxes,one for playing in the keys of BC with basses,and one for playing in DG.
Ihave heard Seamus Begley play in the keys of B C,cant remember if he used the basses,however Ican think of at least three players around here,who do play, [all the time] in the keys of BC.
# Posted on December 21st 2007 by Dick Miles
Re: Old Chestnut - ITM on D/G
mmmm...OK then. It must be a feature of my playing. Thankfully that is slowly improving though.
# Posted on December 21st 2007 by Rudall the time
Re: Old Chestnut - ITM on D/G
Fair play to Cathy for her playing on Youtube and nice to have her comments. (One of the great things about the trad music world, people are never far away!)
I guess what made me start this thread was that seeing Cathy's clips I would have guessed she was playing D/G. Tim Edey's playing, I wouldn't have guessed.
# Posted on December 21st 2007 by TomB-R