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Swearing at sessions

Swearing at sessions

Dunno about anyone else here, but between tunes our lads would be effin and blindin, yet I'm sure we'd never do that anywhere near as much at home or at work. In fact I rarely swear elsewhere.
"What's the name of that fvcken tune ye're after playin'? Fock me, that second part is a complete cont"
and so on.
Maybe because it is "the lads" together (as numbers of males generally predominate that of females) that our vocabulary descends into strings of trollish expletives, I don't know. Is it just a "culture", so to speak, at our session or is it possible that due to our vile tongues the ladies would rather go elsewhere? or is it even, dare I suggest, a kind of foil, to pretend that we are trolls, not wanting to be seen as sensitive artistic types in public?
:-)

# Posted on November 23rd 2007 by Rudall the time

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er, Danny, you're from Glasgow. Us sensitive southern types rarely use an expletive stronger that "bother!"

# Posted on November 23rd 2007 by RichardB

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"than"

# Posted on November 23rd 2007 by RichardB

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What the folk are you on about danny, you saying we folkin swear to folkin much?. ;-D

# Posted on November 23rd 2007 by piobagusfidil

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don't worry about it, it's a worldwide effing trend. Adjectives and adverbs are being phased out, with a few expletive exceptions.
You'd be out of a job soon if you don't swear big time.

# Posted on November 23rd 2007 by Skull Duggeraigh Dubh

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sorry , that was meant to be :-D

# Posted on November 23rd 2007 by piobagusfidil

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It isnae jist me Richard. Aw thon Paddies and Cockneys an whitever else thit sit in wi us dae the same.

# Posted on November 23rd 2007 by Rudall the time

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Just get a sign painted up;
NO SPITTING, SMOKING OR SWEARING! or do they still let ya smoke in the pubs over there?8-)

# Posted on November 23rd 2007 by piobagusfidil

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It's a bastard actually,whereupon I was once "that toilet mouthed lout", I am now a poet like everyone else. Will have to invent some new profanities or disappear into the wallpaper.

# Posted on November 23rd 2007 by mcknowall

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and mcknowall, you make good bodhrans, for bloody sure and certain mate.

# Posted on November 23rd 2007 by Skull Duggeraigh Dubh

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And lovely tippers too!

# Posted on November 23rd 2007 by Clear Drops

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Apparently the vocabulary of the average North American teenager has declined from the vicinity of 25000 words in the 1940's to approximately 12000 words today. Four letter words are easy to remember, and since they can perform as nouns, verbs and modifiers, we are witness to the rise of Little Miss Potty Mouth and all her brethren (and cistern, heh), some of whom are playing at a session near you. Vulgar sh*tes.

# Posted on November 23rd 2007 by drone

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that's north americans for you

# Posted on November 23rd 2007 by Rudall the time

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that's confocal electron microscopy supervisors at King's College London for you

# Posted on November 23rd 2007 by ʎɹoʇısuɐɹʇ

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:-)

# Posted on November 23rd 2007 by Rudall the time

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Should be mandatory. Anyone refusing to swear should be banned.

# Posted on November 23rd 2007 by bodhran bliss

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And KML, not swearing in front of ladies (poor damsels in distress) is so, so sexist and hypocritical. I swear at everyone.

# Posted on November 23rd 2007 by bodhran bliss

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Bollix, bliss. Where did I say we don't feckin swear in front of women? I suggested it might be a reason why there are few women in our sessions - and alluded to the notion that such a dearth of XX chromosomed personnel in itself might further enhance our laddish swearing behaviour.

# Posted on November 23rd 2007 by Rudall the time

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I was a bit miffed about making a contribution to this thread as our sessions are usually fairly sober affairs (from a swearing point of view I should add!). However, I just received another humorous anecdote from a Florida based flute and box player friend (he's not on the Yelow Board so I'll let him remain annonymous) which I think sits nicely here:-

"Subject: I quit

Jasus,
I just read an article on the dangers of drinking....

Scared the 'sh*te 'out of me.

So that's it!

After today, no more Foiking reading for me!!!!!!"

# Posted on November 23rd 2007 by Bannerman

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"is it possible that due to our vile tongues the ladies would rather go elsewhere?" asks Danny

I doubt it unless the ladies around your area are all schooled in 19th Century English ettiquette.

Most of the women I know who play trad have just as foul mouths as most of the guys. Some of them are even known to utter the 'c' word, (shock, horror)

I think women are more repelled by bad body odour than bad language so maybe some of the lads in your session have a bo problem, not you of course Danny, but maybe you should smell some of your mates next time to make sure ;-)

# Posted on November 23rd 2007 by The Tune Composer

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The pope got slagged at a session I attend a few years ago which put quite a number of noses out of joint. I was quite surprised at the reaction.

# Posted on November 23rd 2007 by Patkiwi

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That triggered a very old memory link, Patkiwi. Standing at the urinal next to me somewhere at the Edinburgh Festival, Matt McGinn (a crusty and venerable singer and composer of Scottish songs, no doubt known to KML) expounded on his opinions of the current Holiness. If any noses were out of joint, it is unlikely that their owners would have dared mention it.

# Posted on November 23rd 2007 by oldstrings

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But, hmmmm. Why are so many residents of Canada responding to this discussion?

# Posted on November 23rd 2007 by oldstrings

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Oh, right. We learned all our bad habits from Scottish settlers in the 18th century.

# Posted on November 23rd 2007 by oldstrings

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I moved to the West of Scotland about 15 yrs ago and was initially quite taken aback by the strength of language used on a normal daily basis, this after several years in the army, in fact I even noticed that some males were almost as bad; and this in nursing.

# Posted on November 23rd 2007 by gostrangely

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Swearing is now acceptable, except on a few web sites, and essential, otherwise no-one will know what you are talking about.

And I am not interested in managing England. All the other famous people have said this, so I thought I might as well.

# Posted on November 23rd 2007 by bodhran bliss

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As an English football fan I would like to relate a comment on our demise...... there may be two fs in effort but no f in quality.

# Posted on November 23rd 2007 by Mark Thompson

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OK "special one", you're off the list

Women swear worse than men in Aberdeen and are quite well represented at sessions, where the language is quite mild.

I think your folk down in London must be over-compensating Danny

# Posted on November 23rd 2007 by Bren

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quite fakkin possibly bren

# Posted on November 23rd 2007 by Rudall the time

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I have to tell you the C word is right up there at the top of the offense-o-meter. The only word worse is the N word. If you are throwing that awful C word around it might explain a paucity of women in your session.

# Posted on November 24th 2007 by sbhikes

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Well maybe there are some po-faced political-correctos we could do without. So everybody's happy.

# Posted on November 24th 2007 by Rudall the time

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Luv it Mark, absolutely luv it.

# Posted on November 24th 2007 by bodhran bliss

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Seconded sbhikes' comment about the C-word's place on the offense-o-meter... just so's you're aware.

# Posted on November 24th 2007 by fuzzygreen

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agreed, c-word is extremely offensive....

# Posted on November 24th 2007 by wyogal

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btw, the n-word is offensive as well...

# Posted on November 24th 2007 by wyogal

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I try to keep my cursing to a useful minimum. I don't like to over use any word - noun, adjective, invective, expletive, whatever. It's like playing the same set of jigs over and over again. No creativity there. Consequently, I treat the F-bomb with all the hard earned respect it deserves. So when I do choose to drop it, it has an actual purpose and meaning, and not lost in the common shuffle of all the another everyday words. Treat F*** with some F****** respect if you please. Don't lump him in with everyday words. He deserves better.

# Posted on November 24th 2007 by Jusa Nutter Eejit

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I don't think the c-word is considered as offensive in Ireland as it is in the US. People use it all the time here including women.

I will point out one hilarious use of the word on US TV in an edition of Curb Your Enthusiasm where a newspaper misspells an obituary which should have read 'to a beloved aunt'. I don't think I need to tell you which letter switched with which to create the funniest typo of all time!

If you're offended by the c-word don't watch this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UT02--Ijdc

Any word can be funny really, I guess it's the way words are used that make them offensive. Not many words offend me except maybe the words George W.Bush.......

# Posted on November 24th 2007 by The Tune Composer

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No-one here has mentioned dear old Father Jack, have they? But then I don't know if he ever went to a session.
Btw, is this discussion about swearing "in" sessions or swearing "at" sessions? I've come away from one or two sessions swearing under my breath with good reason about those particular occasions.

# Posted on November 24th 2007 by Trevor Jennings

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Frisbee - your are correct, the c-word isn't all that commonly applied in the US, so when somebody does say it, the shock value is tripled.

However, I do have a standing policy to physically confront users of the N-word.

Regarding G.W.B. - I agree with you, however, I would also gently remind that this isn't supposed to be a political web-site - (insert light-hearted winking emotican)

# Posted on November 24th 2007 by Jusa Nutter Eejit

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I put the G.W.B bit in there knowng full well that even without it our great dictator Jeremy will delete my comment because of the linked video. So savour while you can ;-)

# Posted on November 24th 2007 by The Tune Composer

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Nice circle jerk boys. ;)

# Posted on November 24th 2007 by Tonya

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I think frisbee is right - the c-word can't be as offensive over here as it must be in the states where, if what is said above is true, it is worse than the n-word - *that* is a total no-no. Interesting regional variations. Loved the Derek & Clive video though.

# Posted on November 24th 2007 by Rudall the time

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Btw, is this discussion about swearing "in" sessions or swearing "at" sessions? I've come away from one or two sessions swearing under my breath with good reason about those particular occasions.
My bad grammar well pointed out, Trevor. Yes, I've also had cause to curse on the way home at some bad behaviour at a session, including the beloved Blythe.

# Posted on November 24th 2007 by Rudall the time

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I only swear when I drink Coca-Cola.

# Posted on November 24th 2007 by Lint - upon - Tweed

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What the feck is the 'n-word'- noodling, maybe?

# Posted on November 24th 2007 by Here Lyeth

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If yours is a serious question P-K, you must live in a blessed place to have never heard the N-word used as an vile epithet against a dark-skinned person.

# Posted on November 24th 2007 by Jusa Nutter Eejit

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Thanks, Jusa- it was a genuine question, since that's a word not often heard around here. I suppose in that sense it is a blessed place, out in the sticks with good, kind country folk (I stick out a bit, obviously...)

# Posted on November 24th 2007 by Here Lyeth

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Must admit I couldn't figger out the N word either for a while. It may be a highly offensive word, but does not come under "Swear Words" in this neck of the woods.

# Posted on November 25th 2007 by bodhran bliss

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Nigger had flown with Gibson on many occasions and had become one of the 'boys' to crews, often enjoying a pint with them.
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/julie.bell102/briefing.html

# Posted on November 25th 2007 by Tonya

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What´s that well known play of Agatha Christie´s called these days ?
If it´s ever performed, they´d have to change the title.

# Posted on November 25th 2007 by murfbox

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You are obviously correct Bliss since Jeremy lets Tonya's post stand as is, where in other posts we would have to cryptically spell out words like "see you en tea" etc, lest we have it deleted immediately.

In America, (although I'm sure some would disagree,) it is the most volitle of words - at least to me, having known friends who received beatings by people who use it freely. Surely Bliss, living in Norn Iron, you must have some perspective on this.

# Posted on November 25th 2007 by Jusa Nutter Eejit

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"What´s that well known play of Agatha Christie´s called these days ?"

In 1949 it was made into a BBC TV film with the original title of Agatha Christie's novel. By 1965 it had made it into the cinema with the less contentious title "10 Little Indians" which has been in common use ever since.

# Posted on November 25th 2007 by Trevor Jennings

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It is most offensive Jusa, but not seen as a swear word. If your friends use it round me, there will be more beatings:-)

# Posted on November 25th 2007 by bodhran bliss

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I believe The Nigger of the Narcissus by Joseph Conrad was printed under that name at least until 1994, if not later. This, of course, has nothing to do with "swearing", but was a term in common usage a hundred years ago. Hemingway matter-of-factly used it much later in at least one story, but it might have been edited out in recent printings.
Little Black Sambo is probably not in print, but I don't know that for a fact.

# Posted on November 25th 2007 by oldstrings

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For more up-to-date colourful language, simply tune in to afternoon television.

# Posted on November 25th 2007 by oldstrings

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Just watched the movie Miss (Beatrix) Potter, which demonstrated that in the Victorian/Edwardian era, one did not refer to a lady by her first name, let alone a euphemism for her genitalia.

# Posted on November 25th 2007 by oldstrings

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I'm sure the N-word doesn't carry the same weight in other countries that share the same heritage of slavery that the US has had. And yes, it isn't used much as a swear word. But neither is the C-word. Both the C- and N-words are used to refer to people in a most offensive, dehumanizing way, which is why try as I may I just can't imagine the C-word being thrown around with nary a wince from the women in the room. Unless there simply aren't any in the room. And please note that a lack of women during such utterances doesn't make it ok, either. If anything it's worse. It means you know it's wrong but you're saying it anyway.

# Posted on November 25th 2007 by sbhikes

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In Wales,the generations following my own frequently used the C-word as a greeting.You'd pick up the phone and say "Hi,C,how are you doing" or walk into a bar "Hiya,C,what're you drinking".Seemd like a way to remove all the power from the word and reverse it's usage,in the same way some youth say 'wicked' or 'bad' or 'sick' to mean 'good'.The N-word is frequent on gangsta rap music radio.So much depends upon tone of voice and the relationships involved.I think the language used is a fair indication of the internal emotional and psychological state of a person.Some people can use very polite and socially approved language to be tremendously spiteful,offensive and destructive.Is that acceptable,just because they don't utter listed forbidden expletives?

# Posted on November 25th 2007 by wolfbird

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The C word is highly offensive but its not just the word, when a persons utters it, its from their heart, its generally said with a vengance and therefore it is a yucky word.

I swear a bit for a girl but its part of my everyday language but i like to call people names that confuse like spoonface its funny try it........................people get very confused because they dont understand if its an insult or not...........tool is also another handy one. Profanity is unecessary but sometimes useful!

Nobody ever uses the N word around here.

# Posted on November 25th 2007 by Lollypoll

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So, what about prick, dickhead or knobhead - and what if women ever used those terms? .... very easily possible, and has been know round here, especially referring to certain hangers on at sessions I know. That's ok is it?
Personally I couldn't give a toss though, and would never *choose* to be offended if I witnessed that.

# Posted on November 26th 2007 by Rudall the time

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No I dont get offended by it either but I dont get offended by much........generally because i just dont listen to people! :)

# Posted on November 26th 2007 by Lollypoll

Swearing

Danny are you inviting women to your session?
You are a sensitive type.

# Posted on November 26th 2007 by Tonya

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Nope I'm not. Anyone who can play tunes and contribute musically is welcome, regardless of gender. And regardless of gender, those who do come along enjoy playing and the crack. That's how simple it is.

# Posted on November 26th 2007 by Rudall the time

Swearing

My bad old man.
I thought perhaps you were bemoaning the paucity of women at your session. I still think you are the sensitive type.
Cheers

# Posted on November 26th 2007 by Tonya

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No worries, Tonya. No bemoaning, really. I did record it as an exaggerated observation earlier. I wasn't really serious about linking our language to that, though. If anything I was merely bemusedly reporting this strange phenomenon of a bunch of predominantly male, mostly skilled or middle-class, round about middle aged persons, communicating articulately and in-depth about an art form yet interspersing the dialogue with streams of expletives. And this thread wasn't meant to be too serious, but WTF, eh?

# Posted on November 26th 2007 by Rudall the time

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I love to swear at people in sessions

# Posted on November 26th 2007 by eurbanjo

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