So I was listening to Patrick Kelly from Cree (I was about to post a link to the Recordings section, but discovered that the CD isn't there! I don't have time to add it tonight, but will do so soon if nobody beats me to it) over dinner. The disc is unusual in that there are no medleys, only individual tunes. Two of which were The Morning Star and The Star of Munster.
My brain, such as it is, set off in its own direction, taking me with it for the ride. The game was to construct a set of tune titles in which the last word of one title is the first word of the next. Ignore articles, pronouns, and designations of rhythm, and plural/singular distinctions. Anybody want to play?
Here's my first go (mostly from the index of O'Neill's):
The New Mail Coach
Coach Road to Sligo
Sligo Maid
Maid on the Green
The Green Mountain
The Mountain Lark
Lark in the Morning
The Morning Star
The Star of Munster
Munster Buttermilk
Buttermilk Mary
Mary O'Neill's Fancy
The Fancy Fair
The Fair-Haired Boy
Boy in the Wood
Woods of Kilkenny
Whoa, that's like a "schlock til you drop" kinda set! I like "themed sets" on occasion. The Maids come to mind (Say, maybe Wise, Sligo, Behind The Bar...)
I've never thought about the first word-last word thing... Have to work on that one!
WTG, Gary, now, you're making me work here.... not a good thing during the World Series... (P.S., JNE, how's that string order coming? Hopefully better than the way the Rocks are lookin')
Actually, I didn't suggest constructing sets by tune name; I suggested constructing sets of tune names. Nothing at all to do with playing those sets. Only playing with the titles.
Whilst it might be clever to associate tunes, isn't it only ITMusicians who would understand what has been done?
Waste of time unless you explain what they tunes are?
Llig, if helps try thinking of it as "Six Degrees of Munster Bacon". Every tune title in the irish repertoire can apparantly be connected back to the jig "Munster Bacon" in a maximum of six steps. I thought everyone knew that
My personal favourite is Wallop the Spot/ Spot the Wallop.
And though it doesn't quite fit the last word-first word criterion, you could also make a nice set with The Duke of Leinster/ The Duke Of Leinster's Wife.
>>> Constructing sets by tune name is possibly the singlest most ignorant thing you can do with these tunes
Yeah, llig, if that's your only criteria for constructing a set (to actually play). But don't you think that constructing a set of tunes that go well together AND actually share some clever theme by name is even *better* crack?
Why do I think no one understood the original post? That is, each tune shares exactly one common word with the successive tune. There is nothing about sets, or other commonality between the tunes other than that single word.
The work of the original poster, Gary, is fantastic.
From Mudcat (including all the tunes listed there)
Ships are sailing
Sailing to Amerikay
The Shores of Amerikay
Erin's Green Shores
Bonnie Tavern Green
Bonnie Banks O' Loch Loman
The Loch Tay Boat Song
The Arranmore Boat Song
Rose of Arranmore
Sweet Rose of Allandale
The Lass of Cessnock Banks
The Wee Lass on the Brae
The Wee Wee Man
Man of Constant Sorrow
Etc...
Nothing like using the search function in the browser ... this could go on for a long time.
Jeremy, can you email me a comprehensive list of the titles of all tunes in the tune Archive of this site? With that in mind, I will write a computer program that will create sets based on this criteria, and we'll see just how far we can go.
eliot at jacobsongaming dot com
(take that! spambots)
Jeremy sent me a script to get all the tune names -- I am generating the list now. I modified your script a bit Jeremy, but thanks for the wget command, I formerly used "lynx" for the same.
I wonder if there's a cyclic sequence - i.e. the final word in the last tune is the same as the first in the starting tune. That would be a good one for your script, Eliot.
Two cyclic sequences have already been mentioned above:
Fahey's and Wallop the Spot/Spot the Wallop.
OK, so now we can append:
In Memory of Coleman
Coleman's Cross
The Cross That Jeremy Must Bear
The Bear Dance
Dance of the Honey Bee
Bee's Wing
Wing of the Black Crow
Crow in the Sun
Sunny Banks
Banks of Inverness
Inverness Gathering
Gathering Sheep
Sheep in the Boat (or Sheep on the Mountain for a cycle)
Boat With a Hole
Hole in the Hedge
Hedgehope Hill
Hill on the Road
Road to London
London Lasses
Lasses of Castlebar
Castlebar Races
Races at Carrick
Carrick Tinker
Tinker's Stick
Stick in the Hob
Hob or Nob
Our session tends to give sets funny names. We have "The Destruction Set' (Scatter the Mud/Smash the Windows/Broken Lantern". There's also the "Animal Destruction Set" = Hunt the Cat/Ducks Die on Christmas Day.
We're working on putting together a "Prickly Critter" set, with Igelkotten (the Hedgehog)/Porcupine Bit... and we're trying to come up with a third prickly animal to put with it. The Sea Urchin's Rant maybe? Now we just need to write the tune...
Constructing Sets By Title
Constructing Sets By Title
So I was listening to Patrick Kelly from Cree (I was about to post a link to the Recordings section, but discovered that the CD isn't there! I don't have time to add it tonight, but will do so soon if nobody beats me to it) over dinner. The disc is unusual in that there are no medleys, only individual tunes. Two of which were The Morning Star and The Star of Munster.
My brain, such as it is, set off in its own direction, taking me with it for the ride. The game was to construct a set of tune titles in which the last word of one title is the first word of the next. Ignore articles, pronouns, and designations of rhythm, and plural/singular distinctions. Anybody want to play?
Here's my first go (mostly from the index of O'Neill's):
The New Mail Coach
Coach Road to Sligo
Sligo Maid
Maid on the Green
The Green Mountain
The Mountain Lark
Lark in the Morning
The Morning Star
The Star of Munster
Munster Buttermilk
Buttermilk Mary
Mary O'Neill's Fancy
The Fancy Fair
The Fair-Haired Boy
Boy in the Wood
Woods of Kilkenny
# Posted on October 26th 2007 by GaryAMartin
Re: Constructing Sets By Title
Whoa, that's like a "schlock til you drop" kinda set! I like "themed sets" on occasion. The Maids come to mind (Say, maybe Wise, Sligo, Behind The Bar...)
I've never thought about the first word-last word thing... Have to work on that one!
WTG, Gary, now, you're making me work here.... not a good thing during the World Series... (P.S., JNE, how's that string order coming? Hopefully better than the way the Rocks are lookin')
Pete
# Posted on October 26th 2007 by Reverend
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The Silver Spire and the Silver Spear work well together
# Posted on October 26th 2007 by pennhorse
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Marcas O'Murchu recently recorded the Boy set with Oisin MacDiarmada: The Boy in the Gap / The Boy in the Boat / The Boy on the Hilltop
Tenpenny Bit (Ador) and Sixpenny Money go well together because of a bit similar opening phrases.
I also love playing the Lark set: The Morning Lark / The Lark on the Strand (G) / The Lark on the Strand (Ador-ish) / The Lark in the Morning
# Posted on October 26th 2007 by slainte
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Fahey's
Fahey's
Fahey's
Fahey's
Fahey's
Fahey's
Fahey's
Fahey's
Fahey's
&
Fahey's
You could call it "the Fahey" set
- Chris
# Posted on October 26th 2007 by ramblingpitchfork
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How about all the tripping or the hummours
# Posted on October 26th 2007 by Saint
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Constructing sets by tune name is possibly the singlest most ignorant thing you can do with these tunes
# Posted on October 26th 2007 by llig leahcim
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Kerry polka no.1
Kery polka no. 2
etc. etc.
# Posted on October 26th 2007 by Henk Bos
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Actually, I didn't suggest constructing sets by tune name; I suggested constructing sets of tune names. Nothing at all to do with playing those sets. Only playing with the titles.
# Posted on October 26th 2007 by GaryAMartin
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..... oh...... er......... that's....alright then.
Busy are you?
# Posted on October 26th 2007 by llig leahcim
Re: Constructing Sets By Title
Whilst it might be clever to associate tunes, isn't it only ITMusicians who would understand what has been done?
Waste of time unless you explain what they tunes are?
# Posted on October 26th 2007 by geoffwright
Re: Constructing Sets By Title
Llig, if helps try thinking of it as "Six Degrees of Munster Bacon". Every tune title in the irish repertoire can apparantly be connected back to the jig "Munster Bacon" in a maximum of six steps. I thought everyone knew that
- Chris
# Posted on October 26th 2007 by ramblingpitchfork
Re: Constructing Sets By Title
My personal favourite is Wallop the Spot/ Spot the Wallop.
And though it doesn't quite fit the last word-first word criterion, you could also make a nice set with The Duke of Leinster/ The Duke Of Leinster's Wife.
# Posted on October 26th 2007 by Red Crow
Re: Constructing Sets By Title
Rev -
http://www.thesession.org/discussions/display/15574
We missed you on this discussion a few days ago. Strings are ordered, details listed in this thread.
Gary - you're too clever for me. I'm lucky if I can think of what tune to play next regardless of title! :-o
# Posted on October 26th 2007 by Jusa Nutter Eejit
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How 'bout,
Haste to the wedding/I burried my wife and danced on her grave/My darling asleep.
or
Old hag you've killed me/Hag at the churn.
# Posted on October 26th 2007 by flyinfiddler
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The Old Grey Cat
An Phis Fhliuch
Damp in the Attic
# Posted on October 26th 2007 by fidkid
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LOL fidkid! Eeeeeeewwwwww!
# Posted on October 26th 2007 by Jusa Nutter Eejit
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Fidkid, you made my day!!!
# Posted on October 26th 2007 by Steve Austin
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Bad fidkid, no biscuit!
# Posted on October 26th 2007 by Reverend
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>>> Constructing sets by tune name is possibly the singlest most ignorant thing you can do with these tunes
Yeah, llig, if that's your only criteria for constructing a set (to actually play). But don't you think that constructing a set of tunes that go well together AND actually share some clever theme by name is even *better* crack?
Pete
# Posted on October 26th 2007 by Reverend
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There are a few disturbed individuals in my town who like to play a these two hornpipes together:
Red Haired Boy / Rights of Man
They call it the "Michael Jackson Set"
Again, Eeeeeeeewwwww.
# Posted on October 26th 2007 by Jusa Nutter Eejit
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And, for the s&m crowd, add the Blackthorn Stick.
# Posted on October 26th 2007 by Michele Sims
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"Last Night's Fun - Rolling In The Ryegrass [ with ] The Sligo Maid"
- Bill Leiper, Aberdeen 1972
# Posted on October 26th 2007 by Kenny
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Why do I think no one understood the original post? That is, each tune shares exactly one common word with the successive tune. There is nothing about sets, or other commonality between the tunes other than that single word.
The work of the original poster, Gary, is fantastic.
# Posted on October 26th 2007 by Eliot
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Oh, we *understood* it... but we just hijacked the thread
Pete
# Posted on October 26th 2007 by Reverend
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OK, Pete. I've contributed to the Sox/Rox thread. I just didn't want to throw the first punch or cast the first stone.
Thanks, Eliot.
# Posted on October 26th 2007 by GaryAMartin
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From Mudcat (including all the tunes listed there)
Ships are sailing
Sailing to Amerikay
The Shores of Amerikay
Erin's Green Shores
Bonnie Tavern Green
Bonnie Banks O' Loch Loman
The Loch Tay Boat Song
The Arranmore Boat Song
Rose of Arranmore
Sweet Rose of Allandale
The Lass of Cessnock Banks
The Wee Lass on the Brae
The Wee Wee Man
Man of Constant Sorrow
Etc...
Nothing like using the search function in the browser ... this could go on for a long time.
# Posted on October 26th 2007 by Eliot
Re: Constructing Sets By Title
Oops...
Sweet Rose of Allandale
The Lass of Cessnock Banks
# Posted on October 26th 2007 by Eliot
Re: Constructing Sets By Title
Except that the last word of one title is supposed to be the first word of the next.
# Posted on October 26th 2007 by GaryAMartin
Special request to Jeremy
Then I'll make a special request to Jeremy.
Jeremy, can you email me a comprehensive list of the titles of all tunes in the tune Archive of this site? With that in mind, I will write a computer program that will create sets based on this criteria, and we'll see just how far we can go.
eliot at jacobsongaming dot com
(take that! spambots)
# Posted on October 26th 2007 by Eliot
Re: Constructing Sets By Title
Strange little game this is.
I couldn't get as good a series as yours, but I think yours could be extended...
Kilkenny Girl
Girl I Love
Love You My Darling
Darling I Am Fond Of You
You Never Saw Rosey
Rosey Let Me In
Here are three short ones also from O'Neils
The Fox's sleep
Sleep on my kathleen dear
The Dear Irish Boy
The Boy of my heart
My heart is your slave
or
Flowers Of Spring
Spring Into Drink
Drink And Be Merry
Merry Old Maid
Maid Of Selma
# Posted on October 27th 2007 by billiamconkey
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Good work. Now we need one starting with "In". (Or ending in "New".)
# Posted on October 27th 2007 by GaryAMartin
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The closest I can get to ending in "New" are a bit of a stretch
* Humors Of Newcastle
* Man From Newry
as for starting with "in"
* Indeed Then You Wont
is a close as I can get
# Posted on October 27th 2007 by billiamconkey
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Jeremy sent me a script to get all the tune names -- I am generating the list now. I modified your script a bit Jeremy, but thanks for the wget command, I formerly used "lynx" for the same.
At any rate, this will be a cute little project.
--Eliot
# Posted on October 27th 2007 by Eliot
Re: Constructing Sets By Title
I wonder if there's a cyclic sequence - i.e. the final word in the last tune is the same as the first in the starting tune. That would be a good one for your script, Eliot.
# Posted on October 27th 2007 by Trevor Jennings
Re: Constructing Sets By Title
Two cyclic sequences have already been mentioned above:
Fahey's and Wallop the Spot/Spot the Wallop.
OK, so now we can append:
In Memory of Coleman
Coleman's Cross
The Cross That Jeremy Must Bear
The Bear Dance
Dance of the Honey Bee
Bee's Wing
Wing of the Black Crow
Crow in the Sun
Sunny Banks
Banks of Inverness
Inverness Gathering
Gathering Sheep
Sheep in the Boat (or Sheep on the Mountain for a cycle)
Boat With a Hole
Hole in the Hedge
Hedgehope Hill
Hill on the Road
Road to London
London Lasses
Lasses of Castlebar
Castlebar Races
Races at Carrick
Carrick Tinker
Tinker's Stick
Stick in the Hob
Hob or Nob
# Posted on October 27th 2007 by GaryAMartin
Re: Constructing Sets By Title
Our session tends to give sets funny names. We have "The Destruction Set' (Scatter the Mud/Smash the Windows/Broken Lantern". There's also the "Animal Destruction Set" = Hunt the Cat/Ducks Die on Christmas Day.
We're working on putting together a "Prickly Critter" set, with Igelkotten (the Hedgehog)/Porcupine Bit... and we're trying to come up with a third prickly animal to put with it. The Sea Urchin's Rant maybe? Now we just need to write the tune...
# Posted on October 29th 2007 by ingridrt