"I'm a freeborn man of the traveling people,
Got no fixed abode, with nomads I am numbered.
Country lanes and byways were always my ways,
I've never fancied being lumbered."
"I'm a Free Born Man", Ewan MacColl
Here's a crazy idea. Why don't we call it Irish music?
Because to lay people those words conjure images of Aran sweater-clad, banjo-strumming balladeers, or fat, screeching tenors strutting about in tuxes in front of orchestra hall audiences, or vaudevillians singing music hall numbers that are almost as racist as the kind of minstrelsy that drives African-Americans up the wall, or heaving-bosomed fair skinned wenches singing breathy hymns and loves songs drenched in reverb and synthesizers, or drunken pillocks bellowing out rebel songs over thrashing, three chord guitar accompaniment.
I know some people LIKE that stuff or they grew up with it etc.
It doesn't mean I can't accuse them of incredibly bad taste in music.
ITM is also:
• Irish Transverse Mercator – the new co-ordinate system for Ireland.
• Irish Thoroughbred Marketing – A non-profit Irish Government organisation promoting the Irish thoroughbred horse.
• Italmanubri SpA – trademarked named of cycling products
• Institute for Traditional Medicine – non-profit in Portland Oregon, USA
• Indiana Transportation Museum. Home of the nickel-plate steam engine
• International Training Massage School in Chiang Mai, Thailand. “We rub you long time”
• Institute of Travel Management -– designed to meet the information and functional needs of anyone in thw (sic) UK and Ireland who is responsible for, or involved in the management of business travel.
• Institute for Technology and Management
• ITM is New Zealand’s largest group of independent Timber, Hardware and Building Supplies Merchants. ITM Stadium is a multi-use sports stadium in Whangarei.
• Internetwork Topology Models
• Institute of Transport Management
• Information Transaction Machines
• International Tobacco Machinery – a major supplier to the worldwide tobacco industry.
I hear ya CthuluP. However, you are free to do what I do when people mistake my referencing of Irish music to mean frilly waifs on PBS with synthesizers or drunken Americans with sweaters singing Rising of the Moon.
"No no no, I meant REAL Irish music, sorry for the confusion."
SFWL Fiddler,
Surely any music played by people born in Greater Ireland is Irish music (U2, Undertones et cetera included).
What isn't Irish music is music played by non-Irish people e.g. most ITM session around the world!!
Now let's all have a row about the definition of "Irish" (again)!!
PS. TIM is dreadful, sounds like my perfect cousin...
In my experience the general London public (for want of a better phrase) have no idea what I mean when I say ITM, "Trad Irish Music" for them conjures up Val Doonican or the Dubliners.
But say "Fiddly Diddly Music" and just about everyone knows what you are on about!!!
Yeah Yhaalhouse, even here in tipp its the same most people dont knoe the acronym ITM (granted they know the ifference between trad irish music and the dubliners)
Anyway, most people not involved in ITM here call it Diddly-i.
The true meaning of 'ITM'
The true meaning of 'ITM'
To those outside the insular world of the diddly-dee, 'ITM' refers to the 'Irish Travelers Movement', dedicated to aiding the pavees, Roma, tinkers.
http://www.itmtrav.com/
It's time to yield the acronym. It's time for 'TIM': 'Traditional Irish Music.'
Avoid acronym acrimony. Please.
# Posted on August 28th 2007 by NEW Pure Drop® Ear Canal Oil
Re: The true meaning of 'ITM'
why do we need an acronym? "trad" allways worked fine.
# Posted on August 28th 2007 by Backer
Re: The true meaning of 'ITM'
i agree, why use any acronym?
# Posted on August 28th 2007 by tnoumarap
Re: The true meaning of 'ITM'
"I'm a freeborn man of the traveling people,
Got no fixed abode, with nomads I am numbered.
Country lanes and byways were always my ways,
I've never fancied being lumbered."
"I'm a Free Born Man", Ewan MacColl
Here's a crazy idea. Why don't we call it Irish music?
# Posted on August 28th 2007 by SWFL Fiddler
Re: The true meaning of 'ITM'
NEW Pure Drop® Ear Canal Oil, where do the Roma come into this? I didn't think they had any connection with the Irish Travellers.
# Posted on August 28th 2007 by CreadurMawnOrganig
Re: The true meaning of 'ITM'
"Why don't we call it Irish music?"
Because we might be talking about The Undertones.
# Posted on August 28th 2007 by CreadurMawnOrganig
Re: The true meaning of 'ITM'
"why do we need an acronym? "trad" allways worked fine."
But then there would be threads titled, "Why do we use "trad?" and "What does "trad" really mean?
# Posted on August 28th 2007 by Phantom Button
Re: The true meaning of 'ITM'
"why don't we call it Irish music?"
Because to lay people those words conjure images of Aran sweater-clad, banjo-strumming balladeers, or fat, screeching tenors strutting about in tuxes in front of orchestra hall audiences, or vaudevillians singing music hall numbers that are almost as racist as the kind of minstrelsy that drives African-Americans up the wall, or heaving-bosomed fair skinned wenches singing breathy hymns and loves songs drenched in reverb and synthesizers, or drunken pillocks bellowing out rebel songs over thrashing, three chord guitar accompaniment.
I know some people LIKE that stuff or they grew up with it etc.
It doesn't mean I can't accuse them of incredibly bad taste in music.
# Posted on August 28th 2007 by Hanley
Re: The true meaning of 'ITM'
ITM is also:
• Irish Transverse Mercator – the new co-ordinate system for Ireland.
• Irish Thoroughbred Marketing – A non-profit Irish Government organisation promoting the Irish thoroughbred horse.
• Italmanubri SpA – trademarked named of cycling products
• Institute for Traditional Medicine – non-profit in Portland Oregon, USA
• Indiana Transportation Museum. Home of the nickel-plate steam engine
• International Training Massage School in Chiang Mai, Thailand. “We rub you long time”
• Institute of Travel Management -– designed to meet the information and functional needs of anyone in thw (sic) UK and Ireland who is responsible for, or involved in the management of business travel.
• Institute for Technology and Management
• ITM is New Zealand’s largest group of independent Timber, Hardware and Building Supplies Merchants. ITM Stadium is a multi-use sports stadium in Whangarei.
• Internetwork Topology Models
• Institute of Transport Management
• Information Transaction Machines
• International Tobacco Machinery – a major supplier to the worldwide tobacco industry.
# Posted on August 28th 2007 by fidkid
Re: The true meaning of 'ITM'
ITM sounds more butch than TIM, let's face it.
# Posted on August 28th 2007 by nicholas
Re: The true meaning of 'ITM'
"Undertones" eh?
"By 1977 they were performing their own three-chord pop punk material influenced by Nuggets-type material and the Ramones..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Undertones
Well, that's not Irish music, that's pop punk. They may be Irish people, but they ain't playing Irish music!
Now who wants to tell me U2 is playing Irish music?
# Posted on August 28th 2007 by SWFL Fiddler
Re: The true meaning of 'ITM'
Greetings from Miskatonic U!
I hear ya CthuluP. However, you are free to do what I do when people mistake my referencing of Irish music to mean frilly waifs on PBS with synthesizers or drunken Americans with sweaters singing Rising of the Moon.
"No no no, I meant REAL Irish music, sorry for the confusion."
# Posted on August 28th 2007 by SWFL Fiddler
Re: The true meaning of 'ITM'
I think TIM is already taken too.
# Posted on August 28th 2007 by Phantom Button
Re: The true meaning of 'ITM'
All right, namechangesrconfusing, fess up, who are you?
# Posted on August 28th 2007 by AlBrown
Re: The true meaning of 'ITM'
I know, maybe Jeremy could come up with a key stroke that would write it out and we wouldn't need an acronym.
# Posted on August 28th 2007 by Phantom Button
Re: The true meaning of 'ITM'
I love to see the frilly waifs on PBS.
# Posted on August 28th 2007 by Greg the Piano Tuner
Re: The true meaning of 'ITM'
True meaning of ITM = Irresistibly Tantalising Music - Okay by me.
# Posted on August 28th 2007 by Clear Drops
Re: The true meaning of 'ITM'
Perhaps acronym it as Real Irish Traditional (RIT), or maybe (Real Authentic Traditional) RAT, to narrow it down more.
Or perhaps Real Authentic Traditional Ceili-Accessible Truly Celtic Homeland of Eire Retro (RATCATCHER).
Or perhaps just speak three syllables and say Irish Trad.
Works for me, so far.
Next?
# Posted on August 28th 2007 by Piece
Re: The true meaning of 'ITM'
hmmm......... how's about CAT for short? merrrow...who else would even want to catch a rat?
# Posted on August 29th 2007 by morning star
Re: The true meaning of 'ITM'
namechangesrconfusing used to be spoon
# Posted on August 29th 2007 by Linsey Doyle
Re: The true meaning of 'ITM'
Why dont we all call it by its proper name and stop all this messing about......
Its called Shamrock and roll baby... yeah!
# Posted on August 29th 2007 by session savage
Re: The true meaning of 'ITM'
All righty -- Shamrock And Roll.
So --- SAR?
How long before it becomes mainstream and supplants ITM?
# Posted on August 29th 2007 by Piece
Re: The true meaning of 'ITM'
We used to call it Ceili Music
New Pure drop etc etc - For God's sake don't mention Romanies on this site, it can lead you into all sorts of trouble.
# Posted on August 29th 2007 by Free Reed
Re: The true meaning of 'ITM'
SFWL Fiddler,
Surely any music played by people born in Greater Ireland is Irish music (U2, Undertones et cetera included).
What isn't Irish music is music played by non-Irish people e.g. most ITM session around the world!!
Now let's all have a row about the definition of "Irish" (again)!!
PS. TIM is dreadful, sounds like my perfect cousin...
# Posted on August 29th 2007 by yhaalhouse
Re: The true meaning of 'ITM'
Kathyrn Tickell calls it diddely-bop music.
# Posted on August 29th 2007 by dafydd
Re: The true meaning of 'ITM'
In my experience the general London public (for want of a better phrase) have no idea what I mean when I say ITM, "Trad Irish Music" for them conjures up Val Doonican or the Dubliners.
But say "Fiddly Diddly Music" and just about everyone knows what you are on about!!!
# Posted on August 29th 2007 by yhaalhouse
Re: The true meaning of 'ITM'
Yeah Yhaalhouse, even here in tipp its the same most people dont knoe the acronym ITM (granted they know the ifference between trad irish music and the dubliners)
Anyway, most people not involved in ITM here call it Diddly-i.
# Posted on August 29th 2007 by session savage