'Rhythmically, for traditional Irish music, Arty likes to use a drop D modal tuning so that he gets four D notes when playing a D chord. When playing a G chord, he rarely plays the third (B note). In general, when playing with a piper, he likes to get a percussive rhythm, use passing tones and employ droning notes. But he says, "Different people want you to play different stuff. A lot of people play it with different ideas, so it will depend on who you are playing with." Since the guitar is not a traditional instrument in Irish music, Arty feels that the guitar player is not so much bound by a traditional way of playing the instrument in the context of traditional music, so there is some flexibility and free range of expression that is afforded the guitar. Arty adds, "You have to know what people like and don't like. In Ireland today it is very diverse."
Regarding lead playing for Irish music Arty says, "I think that Irish music sits very well on the guitar in standard tuning. Everything falls nicely in a four fret area of the fingerboard. And I find that if you use drop D, it is a lot easier than using DADGAD where you are using open strings. In DADGAD it is harder to get rolling. The hardest part is getting your small finger to work all the time. But it is not complicated music to play." Arty used Drop D tuning for all of the tunes on McGlynn's Fancy. He said, "Drop D is ideal for Irish music."
McGlynn is da man! After trying every possible guitar tuning out there, I found drop D the most suitable tuning for ITM, but that's just a personal thing-also while learning trad guitar stuff i'd be listening to McGlynn, John Doyle, Steve Cooney- all drop D, then there's Tony Byrne who is definitly one of the best out there and he plays standard tuning. For DADGAD, Paul McSherry and Daithi Sproule rule.
Arty plays in Dropped D and I have to agree that its really good for accompanying Irish music but I must admit playing the tunes with the guitar tuned to DADGAD has a much richer sound than dropped d or standard tuning.
The only snag is to get the full sound you have to use the capo on different frets for each key , heres what I do..
no capo for D/BM
Capo 2 for Em
Capo 5 for G
Capo 7 for Am
Capo 9 for Bm(if you have a good guitar!)
Check it out if you havent already, I think Steve Cooney does something similar and he uses a sliding capo for super quick changes (smart man).
K
Kess, Bm can be played in DADGAD much easier without the use of a cappo at all. Sounds much better with the open strings and is easier on the fingers. It also allows for easier change from D, relative major, to Bm and back without sliding a cappo about. Just use the same chord shapes you use for your scale of D.
Oh, and using the same chord patterns with the cappo on the 5th gives a really nice tiny Em, I like it for certain tunes. Quickdraw cappo is essential kit for the DADGAD player.
DADGAD really is limited by the cappo, but some players as mentioned, Paul Mc Sherry etc, can make it sound great.
I think Paul Brady's backing is, imaginative, rich and impeccable. The use of different parts of the instruments range, bass lines , inversion of the D and G chords up high and the substitution of the C with a big Am7 and then a sly Am9
tucked in later . What colour. What more can I say. Its all there.
I rest my case.
Over to you Trad for comment.
Double Drop D is a useful tuning as well.
It is even easier to get four ds in a d chord,than single drop d,
But then your a /a7 inversions are not so good[i m o] in double drop d.
Arty Mcglynn is excellent.
I'm sure he can't. You sound like you can hammer out the melodies yourself. You could be famous I don't know.
I'm just stating that style of playing is what I personally admire. He's playing with the rhythm, less is more etc. He's taking a few risks and he's pushing the harmony outwards just that little bit. Yet the tune still sounds like the tune, only better. My aspiration has always been to operate within a framework like that.
To old mate Trad. I don't worship these guys either , but I sure as your born love their playing, especially Paul. I have heard of
Dick Gaughin' . I may have heard him backing someone in my music collection, I could probably be labeled Philistine for not knowing him while professing myself to be an enthusiast of
ITM ( and personally I'm not fond of that abbreviation), but one thing is for sure,you have created a pungent desire in me to go out and track down some of Dick's work., starting tomorrow, as its early evening here now. I venture to say I will probably love it and start expounding the virtues of Dick Gaughin.
Of course it is the Irish people's music, and your tradition, fair
enough. I and the rest of the western world (at least ) are gratetful to the country of Ireland for this great music.
I don't believe anyone wants to go over there and pollute it .Basically I started the other threads to get some conversations going about the nuts and bolts of playing the guitar, where they strum, what chords they use, whats their pick like for doing triplets, has anyone tried playing the tunes
up the neck , and the different sound that results. This is what I love doing. Talking guitar with people.
The guitar is not a traditional instrument , but it is in Spain, and I am a citizen of the world. Keep the faith comrade!
The first track, Bonnie Jeannie of Bethelnie, is as fine an example of his playing as anything. The man is a master---it's hard to listen to anything else after you hear what he can do.
dafydd.
I know,but I still prefer single drop d,for a7 inversions up the neck because I then have an open E ist string,Just a personal preference.
I may be mistaken but does not Dick Gaughan use daddae,[top threestrings like a tenor banjo] for Coppers and Brass.
arty mcglynn ,looked to my eyes as if he was using closed fingering not open strings , [eg instead of playin d fourth string open,playing it on fifth fret fifth string]for his lead work,is that correct?if he was using closed fingering he will get a more even sound, volume wise.
Slim,
Check out Dick Gaughan on you tube. Lots of available stuff.
Regarding Arty; he is one of my favorite guitar players and really my introduction to ITM on the guitar played in a flatpicking style. I have learned almost everything off of his McGlynn's Fancy cd with the aid of the amazing slowdowner, in fact any tune I hear him play, I try to learn.
Free,
If you haven't already found this vid. check it out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlDijR0Y60Q
This is part of the transatlantic sessions. Find all the transatlantic sessions videos. They are very good. I have discovered some people that I have never heard of before.
Re Dick Gaughan's Coppers and Brass album.Everything is in standard tuning except the medley Alan McPherson Of Mosspark/The Jig Of Slurs(EAAEAE) and Planxty Johnson (EADEAE)
If you are interest in the Transatlantic Sessions, which were broadcasted in 1995 / 1996 on BBC television, you can get more information. These VERY RARE recordings I have on 2 DVD's, do have EXCELLENT sound and picture quality ( even Hi-Fi Stereo sound ). The 2 DVD's are containg 8 episodes and also have bonusmaterial ( Making of Transatlantic Sessions with host Kathy Matthea )You can see and hear Emmylou Harris, Mary Black, Jack Clement, Kathy Matthea, Ricky Skaggs, Jerry Douglas, Iris Dement, Paul Brady, Nancy Griffith, Maura O'Connell, Michael Douchet., etc. etc. For more information e-mail me at:
Arty McGlynn
Arty McGlynn
I just found this clip of Arty McGlynn on youtube
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QzE439U5iMI
Can someone tells me if he plays in standard tuning?
# Posted on August 23rd 2007 by MarcoTam
Re: Arty McGlynn
No. I dont think so. Cant tell what is is though so I guess I'm not much help.
Looks like paul is playing dropped D though.... I think.
Dow would know this one but i havent heard from him in ages.
# Posted on August 23rd 2007 by session savage
Re: Arty McGlynn
Dropped D.Here is an extract from an interview .
'Rhythmically, for traditional Irish music, Arty likes to use a drop D modal tuning so that he gets four D notes when playing a D chord. When playing a G chord, he rarely plays the third (B note). In general, when playing with a piper, he likes to get a percussive rhythm, use passing tones and employ droning notes. But he says, "Different people want you to play different stuff. A lot of people play it with different ideas, so it will depend on who you are playing with." Since the guitar is not a traditional instrument in Irish music, Arty feels that the guitar player is not so much bound by a traditional way of playing the instrument in the context of traditional music, so there is some flexibility and free range of expression that is afforded the guitar. Arty adds, "You have to know what people like and don't like. In Ireland today it is very diverse."
Regarding lead playing for Irish music Arty says, "I think that Irish music sits very well on the guitar in standard tuning. Everything falls nicely in a four fret area of the fingerboard. And I find that if you use drop D, it is a lot easier than using DADGAD where you are using open strings. In DADGAD it is harder to get rolling. The hardest part is getting your small finger to work all the time. But it is not complicated music to play." Arty used Drop D tuning for all of the tunes on McGlynn's Fancy. He said, "Drop D is ideal for Irish music."
Here's the whole thing.http://www.chinatogalway.com/cuttings/PS%20arty%20interview.htm
# Posted on August 23rd 2007 by dafydd
Re: Arty McGlynn
McGlynn is da man! After trying every possible guitar tuning out there, I found drop D the most suitable tuning for ITM, but that's just a personal thing-also while learning trad guitar stuff i'd be listening to McGlynn, John Doyle, Steve Cooney- all drop D, then there's Tony Byrne who is definitly one of the best out there and he plays standard tuning. For DADGAD, Paul McSherry and Daithi Sproule rule.
# Posted on August 23rd 2007 by poldebrun
Re: Arty McGlynn
Arty plays in Dropped D and I have to agree that its really good for accompanying Irish music but I must admit playing the tunes with the guitar tuned to DADGAD has a much richer sound than dropped d or standard tuning.
The only snag is to get the full sound you have to use the capo on different frets for each key , heres what I do..
no capo for D/BM
Capo 2 for Em
Capo 5 for G
Capo 7 for Am
Capo 9 for Bm(if you have a good guitar!)
Check it out if you havent already, I think Steve Cooney does something similar and he uses a sliding capo for super quick changes (smart man).
K
# Posted on August 23rd 2007 by Kess
Re: Arty McGlynn
Kess, Bm can be played in DADGAD much easier without the use of a cappo at all. Sounds much better with the open strings and is easier on the fingers. It also allows for easier change from D, relative major, to Bm and back without sliding a cappo about. Just use the same chord shapes you use for your scale of D.
Oh, and using the same chord patterns with the cappo on the 5th gives a really nice tiny Em, I like it for certain tunes. Quickdraw cappo is essential kit for the DADGAD player.
DADGAD really is limited by the cappo, but some players as mentioned, Paul Mc Sherry etc, can make it sound great.
# Posted on August 23rd 2007 by proinsiasrua
Arty McGlynn is a great guitar player
And he will be doing a few gigs with Tim O'Brien coming up:
"i'm playing the longford banjo festival with arty mcglynn and also the open house fest in belfast with arty and john mccusker as well.
-Tim."
# Posted on August 23rd 2007 by Earl from Ohio
Re: Arty McGlynn
I think Paul Brady's backing is, imaginative, rich and impeccable. The use of different parts of the instruments range, bass lines , inversion of the D and G chords up high and the substitution of the C with a big Am7 and then a sly Am9
tucked in later . What colour. What more can I say. Its all there.
I rest my case.
Over to you Trad for comment.
# Posted on August 23rd 2007 by chuneboi slim
Re: Arty McGlynn
Only one p in capo.Italian,capo di tastiera,lit. "head of the fingerboard"
# Posted on August 23rd 2007 by dafydd
Re: Arty McGlynn
Double Drop D is a useful tuning as well.
It is even easier to get four ds in a d chord,than single drop d,
But then your a /a7 inversions are not so good[i m o] in double drop d.
Arty Mcglynn is excellent.
# Posted on August 24th 2007 by Dick Miles
Re: Arty McGlynn
I'm sure he can't. You sound like you can hammer out the melodies yourself. You could be famous I don't know.
I'm just stating that style of playing is what I personally admire. He's playing with the rhythm, less is more etc. He's taking a few risks and he's pushing the harmony outwards just that little bit. Yet the tune still sounds like the tune, only better. My aspiration has always been to operate within a framework like that.
# Posted on August 24th 2007 by chuneboi slim
Re: Arty McGlynn
You can get all the inversions of A/A7/A6 etc in double dropped D if you play them up the neck.
# Posted on August 24th 2007 by dafydd
Re: Arty McGlynn
To old mate Trad. I don't worship these guys either , but I sure as your born love their playing, especially Paul. I have heard of
Dick Gaughin' . I may have heard him backing someone in my music collection, I could probably be labeled Philistine for not knowing him while professing myself to be an enthusiast of
ITM ( and personally I'm not fond of that abbreviation), but one thing is for sure,you have created a pungent desire in me to go out and track down some of Dick's work., starting tomorrow, as its early evening here now. I venture to say I will probably love it and start expounding the virtues of Dick Gaughin.
Of course it is the Irish people's music, and your tradition, fair
enough. I and the rest of the western world (at least ) are gratetful to the country of Ireland for this great music.
I don't believe anyone wants to go over there and pollute it .Basically I started the other threads to get some conversations going about the nuts and bolts of playing the guitar, where they strum, what chords they use, whats their pick like for doing triplets, has anyone tried playing the tunes
up the neck , and the different sound that results. This is what I love doing. Talking guitar with people.
The guitar is not a traditional instrument , but it is in Spain, and I am a citizen of the world. Keep the faith comrade!
# Posted on August 24th 2007 by chuneboi slim
Re: Arty McGlynn
Dear Trad. To used that old capitalist catchcry: "Sold". And I'm
buying off the plans. Mr C. Boi.
# Posted on August 24th 2007 by chuneboi slim
Re: Arty McGlynn
for a free listen (25 tracks, anyway, then you have to pay), go here:
http://www.rhapsody.com/dickgaughan/gaughan
The first track, Bonnie Jeannie of Bethelnie, is as fine an example of his playing as anything. The man is a master---it's hard to listen to anything else after you hear what he can do.
# Posted on August 24th 2007 by kennedy
Re: Arty McGlynn
Thanks fellas. Is that 50 euros, or 50 american.
# Posted on August 24th 2007 by chuneboi slim
Re: Arty McGlynn
dafydd.
I know,but I still prefer single drop d,for a7 inversions up the neck because I then have an open E ist string,Just a personal preference.
I may be mistaken but does not Dick Gaughan use daddae,[top threestrings like a tenor banjo] for Coppers and Brass.
arty mcglynn ,looked to my eyes as if he was using closed fingering not open strings , [eg instead of playin d fourth string open,playing it on fifth fret fifth string]for his lead work,is that correct?if he was using closed fingering he will get a more even sound, volume wise.
# Posted on August 24th 2007 by Dick Miles
Re: Arty McGlynn
Slim,
Check out Dick Gaughan on you tube. Lots of available stuff.
Regarding Arty; he is one of my favorite guitar players and really my introduction to ITM on the guitar played in a flatpicking style. I have learned almost everything off of his McGlynn's Fancy cd with the aid of the amazing slowdowner, in fact any tune I hear him play, I try to learn.
# Posted on August 24th 2007 by old and in the way
Re: Arty McGlynn
Free,
If you haven't already found this vid. check it out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlDijR0Y60Q
This is part of the transatlantic sessions. Find all the transatlantic sessions videos. They are very good. I have discovered some people that I have never heard of before.
# Posted on August 25th 2007 by old and in the way
Re: Arty McGlynn
Re Dick Gaughan's Coppers and Brass album.Everything is in standard tuning except the medley Alan McPherson Of Mosspark/The Jig Of Slurs(EAAEAE) and Planxty Johnson (EADEAE)
# Posted on August 25th 2007 by dafydd
Re: Arty McGlynn
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Dick-Gaughan-Coppers-Brass-LP-1977-Traditional-Folk_W0QQitemZ300143609541QQihZ020QQcategoryZ106449QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Might be of interest - if the link works, - and it's not me selling it.
# Posted on August 27th 2007 by Kenny
Re: Arty McGlynn / Transatlantic Sessions DVD
If you are interest in the Transatlantic Sessions, which were broadcasted in 1995 / 1996 on BBC television, you can get more information. These VERY RARE recordings I have on 2 DVD's, do have EXCELLENT sound and picture quality ( even Hi-Fi Stereo sound ). The 2 DVD's are containg 8 episodes and also have bonusmaterial ( Making of Transatlantic Sessions with host Kathy Matthea )You can see and hear Emmylou Harris, Mary Black, Jack Clement, Kathy Matthea, Ricky Skaggs, Jerry Douglas, Iris Dement, Paul Brady, Nancy Griffith, Maura O'Connell, Michael Douchet., etc. etc. For more information e-mail me at:
marcel@degrootadviesgroep.nl
# Posted on October 3rd 2007 by mhansen