Danu's eponymous first album has a wonderful reel set as the last cut. The liner notes don't provide names for the first and third tunes of this set. I'm particularly interested in the last one--anyone know the name of it?
First tune is "Ah ,Surely" aka "Killabeg's House" - I think composed by Willie Coleman.
Second tune is usually known as "Bobby Casey's". I don't know whether or not he composed it.
Third tune I have somewhere, but have only found by Marcus Hernon. I think it may be the "Boogie" reel by Billy McComiskie, but am not sure. - yet.
Marcus recorded it as the "Rock Of Cashel", and I think "Cherish The Ladies" have recorded it too.
I will check when I have time, unless someone else can confirm this.
PS - Just remembered. Third tune was recorded by Kevin Crawford and a banjo-player (Poric ?? from Galway) on a live CD from Pepper's Bar in Feakle.
It was played before "Martin Wynne's #3" . Anyone have the name of it, or do I have to trawl through the tapes? Don't think it's the "Boogie" after all.
Don't know about tune set, Do know that Boogie Reel is composition of John Nolan, a fine box player . Was recorded by Billy McCominsky as well as others.
In a private thread, Will Harmon opines that the tune in question is The Flower of the Flock. To my ear, it sounds like a variant of that tune, and I think Will is right.
Listen to "Danu's" reel, then listen to "Flower Of The Flock" as played by the "Bothy Band". Although the first parts of both tunes are similar (and no more than that), the second parts are very different. "Danu" are not playing the "Flower Of The Flock".
I think I've answered your query.
Heh, Kenny, I'm just shooting in the dark anyway 'cause I've never heard this track.
I agree the B parts are somewhat different, but not necessarily enough to be completely different tunes. Comparing one static setting (a Bothy Band recording) to another (Danu's version) is thin evidence for drawing definitive conclusions. Eileen Iver's B part to Flower of the Flock is very different from the Bothy's, and so is Frankie Gavin's, and I've heard other settings range even farther afield. Danu likes to wig out a bit, almost to the point that some tunes start to lose their familiar patterns. Is it possible that's what's happening here?
What puzzles me more Kenny is how you've answered the original query. You said it was the Boogie Reel and then said it likely wasn't. So what *is* the tune?
BTW, I emailed the lads themselves and we'll see if they get around to replying. I'll let you know if I hear anything.
According to Marcus Hernon, it's "The Rock Of Cashel".
According to Kevin Crawford, it's "Sean Ryan's".
Let me know if you get a reply. Still think they're two distinct tunes, though. Maybe we'll just have to disagree on this one , Will. Would be interesting to know where Kevin & Marcus sourced the tune.
Maybe we can do this by process of elimination. I found the following transcription at Chris Walsh's online abc compilation. Even factoring in the key change, I don't think this is the tune Michael's looking for.
T:Rocks of Cashel Reel
M:4/4
L:1/8
Z: original abc by Bruce Osborne (I made some minor repairs: repeat symbols in the right places, taking it from 2/4 to 4/4, etc.)
K:C
(3G,A,B,|:CB,CD EGG2|Adde dcAB|cBcA GEcA|GFED E2 (3G,A,B,|
CB,CD EGG2|Adde dcAB|cBcA GEcA|1 GFED C2 (G,A,B,:|2 GFED C2z2||
|:c2ec gcec|agfe BcdB|c2ec gcec|agfe dGAB|
c2ec gcec|agfe BcdB|c2ec gcec|1 agfd c2z2:|2 agfd c2 (3G,A,B,||
Sigh. Yes, Kenny, you did answer my query--with three possibilities, none of which was definitive. Just to add confusion to the mix, here's a missive from a friend of mine who was convinced it was "Pip Murphy's" for a while.
He says (roughly): "I found this set, and I told you earlier that I thought the mystery tune was Pip Murphy's, the third tune in this set (below). Now I don't think the third tune is the one you're looking for after all. The source for the set is a new cd by Eoin O'Neill called "In Session" which I ordered from the Knotted Chord in Ireland. Good album. Eoin is a great rythm 'zouk player who recorded with Mary Custy and on John William's glorious eponymous debut. The mandolin player on this track, Eddie Moloney, is a session pal of Eoin's who has never recorded before. This track was done on the first take."
Lough Mountain
Martin Wynne's (#3?)
Pip Murphy's"
I've since heard the set, and the trouble with my friend's missive is this: the tune is absolutely, unquestionably, without a doubt, the second tune of the set above. That means, to me, Martin Wynne's #3. So: Kenny, is it possible that the Sean Ryan's / Rock of Cashel / Boogie Reel thing is a red herring, and that you're actually thinking of Martin Wynne's #3? (There are two MW's on thesession.org, and neither is the one in question.)
Michael, I'm sorry if I'm causing the confusion here, so let me try to clarify matters.
The first tune of "Danu" 's set you can find in the "Session" archive as "Ah! Surely", as I said previously. It was posted on 5th March 2002 by glauber. The second tune is also in the archive as "Bobby Casey's" - the 2nd one in D, and was posted on 5th Sept.2001 by Will Harmon. Again, I said this above, and you can check them both for yourself by going into the archive.
I have only been able to come up with 2 recordings of "Danu" 's third reel - Marcus Hernon called it the "Rock Of Cashel", and Kevin Crawford & Paraic McDonnchada recorded it as "Sean Ryan's" on a CD called "The Maiden Voyage" recorded in Co. Clare, I think in 1991. The tune is the same in all three cases, and that is all I know about it. All I am able to do is tell you that these musicians have recorded the same tune as "Danu"s 3rd under those names. I do not have a "definitive " answer to your query. If you disagree with this , it's not me you are disagreeing with, but the three musicians - I am only passing on information.
I have to hold my hand up and say "sorry" about the "Boogie Reel". That was a genuine mistake on my part, and that particular tune has nothing to do with this discussion.
As for "Martin Wynne's #3", it appears in the "Session" archive where it was posted by contributer "radriano". This is the tune which Kevin & Paraic play after "Sean Ryan's". Incidentally, on that recording, the 2 lads play both the tunes in A, not G. I also have this tune recorded as "Martin Wynne's #3" by flute-player John Wynne, and also the 1998 USA Comhaltas Tour group. It also appears in the book "Trip To Sligo" by Bernie Flaherty, in the repertoire of Ballymote banjo-player Tommy Finn. That's 4 sources, and I would tentatively suggest that maybe Eoin O'Neill is the one who has confused the 2 tunes, quite possibly from the "Maiden Voyage" recording. Hell of a coincidence, otherwise.
This is pure conjecture on my part, and I accept I could well be wrong on this.
I don't think I can add any more. All the best, Kenny
1) ah surely AKA cinnte le dia AKA windy gap AKA bearna na gaoithe AKA kilabeg's house AKA up cloontia
2) crosses of annagh AKA bobby casey's AKA tommy people's favourite
3) untitled: first part compares with flowers of the flock AND bill harte's
Mystery Tunes in the Crosses of Annagh Set
Mystery Tunes in the Crosses of Annagh Set
Danu's eponymous first album has a wonderful reel set as the last cut. The liner notes don't provide names for the first and third tunes of this set. I'm particularly interested in the last one--anyone know the name of it?
---Michael B.
# Posted on February 17th 2003 by MichaelBolton
Re: Mystery Tunes in the Crosses of Annagh Set
First tune is "Ah ,Surely" aka "Killabeg's House" - I think composed by Willie Coleman.
Second tune is usually known as "Bobby Casey's". I don't know whether or not he composed it.
Third tune I have somewhere, but have only found by Marcus Hernon. I think it may be the "Boogie" reel by Billy McComiskie, but am not sure. - yet.
Marcus recorded it as the "Rock Of Cashel", and I think "Cherish The Ladies" have recorded it too.
I will check when I have time, unless someone else can confirm this.
# Posted on February 18th 2003 by Kenny
Re: Mystery Tunes in the Crosses of Annagh Set
PS - Just remembered. Third tune was recorded by Kevin Crawford and a banjo-player (Poric ?? from Galway) on a live CD from Pepper's Bar in Feakle.
It was played before "Martin Wynne's #3" . Anyone have the name of it, or do I have to trawl through the tapes? Don't think it's the "Boogie" after all.
# Posted on February 18th 2003 by Kenny
Re: Mystery Tunes in the Crosses of Annagh Set
Kenny, is that Padraic("Poric") McDonagh?
# Posted on February 19th 2003 by CreadurMawnOrganig
Re: Mystery Tunes in the Crosses of Annagh Set
I think that would be right, David.
Kevin Crawford's tune before "MW's #3" is titled "Sean Ryan's".
# Posted on February 19th 2003 by Kenny
Re: Mystery Tunes in the Crosses of Annagh Set
Don't know about tune set, Do know that Boogie Reel is composition of John Nolan, a fine box player . Was recorded by Billy McCominsky as well as others.
# Posted on February 21st 2003 by vega
Re: Mystery Tunes in the Crosses of Annagh Set
Thanks, Vega -I stand corrected. My apologies to Mr. Nolan - a fine composition.
# Posted on February 21st 2003 by Kenny
Re: Mystery Tunes in the Crosses of Annagh Set
In a private thread, Will Harmon opines that the tune in question is The Flower of the Flock. To my ear, it sounds like a variant of that tune, and I think Will is right.
---Michael B.
# Posted on February 21st 2003 by MichaelBolton
Re: Mystery Tunes in the Crosses of Annagh Set
Listen to "Danu's" reel, then listen to "Flower Of The Flock" as played by the "Bothy Band". Although the first parts of both tunes are similar (and no more than that), the second parts are very different. "Danu" are not playing the "Flower Of The Flock".
I think I've answered your query.
# Posted on February 23rd 2003 by Kenny
Re: Mystery Tunes in the Crosses of Annagh Set
Heh, Kenny, I'm just shooting in the dark anyway 'cause I've never heard this track.
I agree the B parts are somewhat different, but not necessarily enough to be completely different tunes. Comparing one static setting (a Bothy Band recording) to another (Danu's version) is thin evidence for drawing definitive conclusions. Eileen Iver's B part to Flower of the Flock is very different from the Bothy's, and so is Frankie Gavin's, and I've heard other settings range even farther afield. Danu likes to wig out a bit, almost to the point that some tunes start to lose their familiar patterns. Is it possible that's what's happening here?
What puzzles me more Kenny is how you've answered the original query. You said it was the Boogie Reel and then said it likely wasn't. So what *is* the tune?
BTW, I emailed the lads themselves and we'll see if they get around to replying. I'll let you know if I hear anything.
# Posted on February 23rd 2003 by Will Harmon
Re: Mystery Tunes in the Crosses of Annagh Set
According to Marcus Hernon, it's "The Rock Of Cashel".
According to Kevin Crawford, it's "Sean Ryan's".
Let me know if you get a reply. Still think they're two distinct tunes, though. Maybe we'll just have to disagree on this one , Will. Would be interesting to know where Kevin & Marcus sourced the tune.
# Posted on February 23rd 2003 by Kenny
Re: Mystery Tunes in the Crosses of Annagh Set
Well, there's no shortage of tunes out there with Sean Ryan's name stuck on them, so that's always a safe "out" if we need it.
# Posted on February 24th 2003 by Will Harmon
Re: Mystery Tunes in the Crosses of Annagh Set
Maybe we can do this by process of elimination. I found the following transcription at Chris Walsh's online abc compilation. Even factoring in the key change, I don't think this is the tune Michael's looking for.
T:Rocks of Cashel Reel
M:4/4
L:1/8
Z: original abc by Bruce Osborne (I made some minor repairs: repeat symbols in the right places, taking it from 2/4 to 4/4, etc.)
K:C
(3G,A,B,|:CB,CD EGG2|Adde dcAB|cBcA GEcA|GFED E2 (3G,A,B,|
CB,CD EGG2|Adde dcAB|cBcA GEcA|1 GFED C2 (G,A,B,:|2 GFED C2z2||
|:c2ec gcec|agfe BcdB|c2ec gcec|agfe dGAB|
c2ec gcec|agfe BcdB|c2ec gcec|1 agfd c2z2:|2 agfd c2 (3G,A,B,||
# Posted on February 24th 2003 by Will Harmon
Re: Mystery Tunes in the Crosses of Annagh Set
Sigh. Yes, Kenny, you did answer my query--with three possibilities, none of which was definitive. Just to add confusion to the mix, here's a missive from a friend of mine who was convinced it was "Pip Murphy's" for a while.
He says (roughly): "I found this set, and I told you earlier that I thought the mystery tune was Pip Murphy's, the third tune in this set (below). Now I don't think the third tune is the one you're looking for after all. The source for the set is a new cd by Eoin O'Neill called "In Session" which I ordered from the Knotted Chord in Ireland. Good album. Eoin is a great rythm 'zouk player who recorded with Mary Custy and on John William's glorious eponymous debut. The mandolin player on this track, Eddie Moloney, is a session pal of Eoin's who has never recorded before. This track was done on the first take."
Lough Mountain
Martin Wynne's (#3?)
Pip Murphy's"
I've since heard the set, and the trouble with my friend's missive is this: the tune is absolutely, unquestionably, without a doubt, the second tune of the set above. That means, to me, Martin Wynne's #3. So: Kenny, is it possible that the Sean Ryan's / Rock of Cashel / Boogie Reel thing is a red herring, and that you're actually thinking of Martin Wynne's #3? (There are two MW's on thesession.org, and neither is the one in question.)
Here's a transcription of the tune.
X:1
T:?
R:reel
M:4/4
L:1/8
K:Gmaj
|: DEGA BG(3GGG | AGBG ABGE | DEGA Bded | gedB ABGE |
DEGA BG(3GGG | AGBG ABGE | Bded Bdge |1 dBAc BGAG :|2 dBAB GABd ||
|: (3ggg dB G3B | e2dB G3B | (3AAA AB AE(3EEE | c2B2 ABcd |
(3ggg ga (3bbg ef | gage d3B | cABG AGEG |1 DGGF GABd :|2 DGGF G4 ||
So...?
---Michael B.
# Posted on March 10th 2003 by MichaelBolton
Re: Mystery Tunes in the Crosses of Annagh Set
Michael, I'm sorry if I'm causing the confusion here, so let me try to clarify matters.
The first tune of "Danu" 's set you can find in the "Session" archive as "Ah! Surely", as I said previously. It was posted on 5th March 2002 by glauber. The second tune is also in the archive as "Bobby Casey's" - the 2nd one in D, and was posted on 5th Sept.2001 by Will Harmon. Again, I said this above, and you can check them both for yourself by going into the archive.
I have only been able to come up with 2 recordings of "Danu" 's third reel - Marcus Hernon called it the "Rock Of Cashel", and Kevin Crawford & Paraic McDonnchada recorded it as "Sean Ryan's" on a CD called "The Maiden Voyage" recorded in Co. Clare, I think in 1991. The tune is the same in all three cases, and that is all I know about it. All I am able to do is tell you that these musicians have recorded the same tune as "Danu"s 3rd under those names. I do not have a "definitive " answer to your query. If you disagree with this , it's not me you are disagreeing with, but the three musicians - I am only passing on information.
I have to hold my hand up and say "sorry" about the "Boogie Reel". That was a genuine mistake on my part, and that particular tune has nothing to do with this discussion.
As for "Martin Wynne's #3", it appears in the "Session" archive where it was posted by contributer "radriano". This is the tune which Kevin & Paraic play after "Sean Ryan's". Incidentally, on that recording, the 2 lads play both the tunes in A, not G. I also have this tune recorded as "Martin Wynne's #3" by flute-player John Wynne, and also the 1998 USA Comhaltas Tour group. It also appears in the book "Trip To Sligo" by Bernie Flaherty, in the repertoire of Ballymote banjo-player Tommy Finn. That's 4 sources, and I would tentatively suggest that maybe Eoin O'Neill is the one who has confused the 2 tunes, quite possibly from the "Maiden Voyage" recording. Hell of a coincidence, otherwise.
This is pure conjecture on my part, and I accept I could well be wrong on this.
I don't think I can add any more. All the best, Kenny
# Posted on March 10th 2003 by Kenny
Re: Mystery Tunes in the Crosses of Annagh Set
the gospel according to http://www.irishtune.info is:
1) ah surely AKA cinnte le dia AKA windy gap AKA bearna na gaoithe AKA kilabeg's house AKA up cloontia
2) crosses of annagh AKA bobby casey's AKA tommy people's favourite
3) untitled: first part compares with flowers of the flock AND bill harte's
# Posted on September 2nd 2003 by nastyweegirl