if anybody wants i can do a video on playing the wheatstone system (it's my video he's referring to). i actually recorded the clips, but i never uploaded it.
is lachenal the same as wheatstone? i'm assuming it is.
He said it was what he imagined Noel Hill would use. I think you should ask Noel himself if you want to know what he does.
I use a slightly different pattern for playing in A. I have a Wheatstone layout. The way I play in A is slightly counter intuitive, but I play in A and F# minor (Dorian) all the time. As with any key on the Anglo -- there are options.
Noel doesn't work like that. He is very protective about his workshop material and methods (his livelyhood) and makes everyone swear on oath that they won't discuss it openly.
He teaches some set fingering "recomendations" and that is all they are, but once you have them under your belt, he teaches you tunes that break the rules, which is fair enough - but he always has reasons for straying away from his "recomendations".
What the chap said on the video was, that Noel didn't actually teach them any tunes in A, but if he had done, this is probably how he would have done it.
It's true that Noel is protective of certain things, but I received private lessons from him and he was very specific about fingering. I would never assume that he would play in any particular way unless I saw it myself or he taught me a particular way. Even though I followthe fingering system Noel taught me for the most part, I would never assume that what I came up with for playing in A is the same as what he would have. I'm not criticizing what daiv came up with either, I'm just questioning the association with Noel Hill's playing. I still think you'd have to ask him.
i'm going to ask him how he would do it next time i go to his school, this august, as i would like to know how he actually teaches it. however, the original thread is not about how noel would do it, but instead how someone using noels system might finger the A major scale:
I've been playing in G using the fingering pattern taught by
Noel Hill. I learned this from a guy (not local) who was
fortunate enough to attend of of Noels workshops.
I think I'm ready to move on to another key, and a lot of my
local fiddle friends play in A. Do I need another instrument,
or do I need to cross over rows to play in A on my c/g? Any
thoughts on this?
if it was a thread about how noel would do it, rather than someone who learned from noel would do it, then my fingering would have little merit, as it is not authoritative.
i still can say that it is connected to noel's playing, because every fingering i use is one he taught me. some of these fingerings are unique to noel's system (or at least awkward), like push d/e, third finger A, cross over for the Eb, etc.
there's nothing wrong with the fact that i assumed anything, especially since i let the viewer know i was making a presumption.
the beauty of assumptions is their fallability. i can think of a whole list of ways he might teach it differently, but i dont think that makes for a very helpful video.
I understand, davi, and as I said, I'm not criticizing you. I just wanted to clarify it so that no one reading this will assume it's the way Noel does it. Often it is people who aren't reading as carefully as they might like that will come away with a slight misconception about what was said. I'm just trying to help prevent that.
One thing that always amazes me about the concertina are the options available for playing in any key. I've re-worked many tunes after discovering options I didn't realize were there. Sometimes I still end up doing it the original way, but other times it seems to be an improvement. The secret really is to understand the logic of the instrument so you can have options to choose from.
A is for Anglos
A is for Anglos
This thread has a really useful video on playing in A on concertina (applying Noel Hill fingering suggestions and using Foxhunters as an example).
http://www.concertina.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=6003&st=0&gopid=56314&#entry56314
# Posted on June 11th 2007 by geoffwright
Re: A is for Anglos
It depends what system of accidentals you have,if youhave the Lachenal system its even easier.not every Anglo has jefferies accidentals.
# Posted on June 11th 2007 by Dick Miles
Re: A is for Anglos
if anybody wants i can do a video on playing the wheatstone system (it's my video he's referring to). i actually recorded the clips, but i never uploaded it.
is lachenal the same as wheatstone? i'm assuming it is.
# Posted on June 12th 2007 by daiv
Re: A is for Anglos
He said it was what he imagined Noel Hill would use. I think you should ask Noel himself if you want to know what he does.
I use a slightly different pattern for playing in A. I have a Wheatstone layout. The way I play in A is slightly counter intuitive, but I play in A and F# minor (Dorian) all the time. As with any key on the Anglo -- there are options.
# Posted on June 12th 2007 by Phantom Button
Re: A is for Anglos
Noel doesn't work like that. He is very protective about his workshop material and methods (his livelyhood) and makes everyone swear on oath that they won't discuss it openly.
He teaches some set fingering "recomendations" and that is all they are, but once you have them under your belt, he teaches you tunes that break the rules, which is fair enough - but he always has reasons for straying away from his "recomendations".
What the chap said on the video was, that Noel didn't actually teach them any tunes in A, but if he had done, this is probably how he would have done it.
# Posted on June 12th 2007 by geoffwright
Re: A is for Anglos
It's true that Noel is protective of certain things, but I received private lessons from him and he was very specific about fingering. I would never assume that he would play in any particular way unless I saw it myself or he taught me a particular way. Even though I followthe fingering system Noel taught me for the most part, I would never assume that what I came up with for playing in A is the same as what he would have. I'm not criticizing what daiv came up with either, I'm just questioning the association with Noel Hill's playing. I still think you'd have to ask him.
# Posted on June 13th 2007 by Phantom Button
Re: A is for Anglos
i'm going to ask him how he would do it next time i go to his school, this august, as i would like to know how he actually teaches it. however, the original thread is not about how noel would do it, but instead how someone using noels system might finger the A major scale:
I've been playing in G using the fingering pattern taught by
Noel Hill. I learned this from a guy (not local) who was
fortunate enough to attend of of Noels workshops.
I think I'm ready to move on to another key, and a lot of my
local fiddle friends play in A. Do I need another instrument,
or do I need to cross over rows to play in A on my c/g? Any
thoughts on this?
if it was a thread about how noel would do it, rather than someone who learned from noel would do it, then my fingering would have little merit, as it is not authoritative.
i still can say that it is connected to noel's playing, because every fingering i use is one he taught me. some of these fingerings are unique to noel's system (or at least awkward), like push d/e, third finger A, cross over for the Eb, etc.
there's nothing wrong with the fact that i assumed anything, especially since i let the viewer know i was making a presumption.
the beauty of assumptions is their fallability. i can think of a whole list of ways he might teach it differently, but i dont think that makes for a very helpful video.
# Posted on June 13th 2007 by daiv
Re: A is for Anglos
I understand, davi, and as I said, I'm not criticizing you. I just wanted to clarify it so that no one reading this will assume it's the way Noel does it. Often it is people who aren't reading as carefully as they might like that will come away with a slight misconception about what was said. I'm just trying to help prevent that.
One thing that always amazes me about the concertina are the options available for playing in any key. I've re-worked many tunes after discovering options I didn't realize were there. Sometimes I still end up doing it the original way, but other times it seems to be an improvement. The secret really is to understand the logic of the instrument so you can have options to choose from.
# Posted on June 13th 2007 by Phantom Button
Re: A is for Anglos
it took me so long to find the logic of it! imagine how much it has warped our brains...
# Posted on June 14th 2007 by daiv
Re: A is for Anglos
LOL indeed!
# Posted on June 14th 2007 by Phantom Button