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WORLD FLEADH!!!: You Supply the Hole, We'll Get the Money to throw in it.
WORLD FLEADH!!!: You Supply the Hole, We'll Get the Money to throw in it.
Oooppps, I've slipped and landed on my keyboard and by some freak occurance these words have been typed in, and I've copied Dave's message from the end of the corpse of the last thread on the subject. What a fluke! HB.
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Re: the world fleadh portlaoise
To find out more about how the World Fleadh gets its funds read this page
It's well known that the World Fleadh got a lot more than €3500 from the Arts Council. In fact it got nearly €8000 for just one pre-launch event alone and then a huge amount for the main event. If you dispute this read through the link I pasted and you'll see it cost €1million to put on and had losses of €200,000. Failte Ireland gave €100,000 and local businesses gave €250,000, so where prey did the other €450,000 come from? The Arts Council of course, I remember clearly reading about this at the time so trying to deny this is simply propaganda.
I think the main reason people like Harry B and indeed myself would object to this gross misuse of public funds is that it went towards a huge commercial event with little or no value to the tradition it was supposed to be benefiting. This continues this year. If this festival is meant to be about promoting traditional Irish music then what the hell are the following headline acts there for?!!
Katie Melua , Deacon Blue , Lord of the Dance , The Proclaimers , Duke Special.
Now I've nothing against The Proclaimers, Katie Melua, Deacon Blue and Duke Special per se but none of them have much if anything to do with traditional Irish music or traditional music of any kind really do they? Let's face facts, these are pop/rock groups, it's fine if you want to have a festival with these acts as headliners but to call it Irelands answer to Celtic Connections or Tonder is a joke. Hell it's not even Ireland's answer to Womad, which would be something I'd be interested in. A festival of diverse music from around the world which mostly has roots in traditional music styles. At Womad the only Western pop/rock act you're likely to see is Peter Gabriel, which is fair enough because he organises the thing and he's actually very good at what he does!
The World Fleadh is hijacking the name of Irish music and then sweeping the geniune musicians under the carpet, replacing them with bland pop and Celtic Tiger trad . Aside from the odd group like Patrick Street, the only geniune trad musicians at this event are just giving masterclasses.
The only good thing I see about the World Fleadh this year is that it is on roughly the same time as the Feakle Festival, so it might draw the usual festival-wrecking p*ssheads to Portlaoise instead of Feakle!
So true lovers of trad come all ye to Feakle and let the trendy trad brigade descend upon Portlaoise and waste all their money on second rate trad and bland pop (sorry Duke Special to lump you in with this lot but I suppose you've only your booking agent to blame!)
Re: WORLD FLEADH!!!: You Supply the Hole, We'll Get the Money to throw in it.
And before anyone posts a reply telling me the literal translation of the word fleadh, well thats irrelivant. It has, over time become synonymous with traditional Irish music.
Re: WORLD FLEADH!!!: You Supply the Hole, We'll Get the Money to throw in it.
I have it from good authority that not all at the Arts Council funding committee wanted to fund the world fleadh. In fact I hear it was retrospective funding which is illegal. The groups had been booked and advertised before funding was granted I hear. In other words it would have gone ahead anyway irrespective of Arts Council funding. A certain flute player from Manchester saw his name on the promo poster for the World Fleadh while at Celtic Connections the January before the event and told me he didn't know anything about the event. And don't get me started on the rumours of the bounced checks some of the bigger bands had to deal with. Public funds should not be used for commercial extrvaganzas like this while the wee festivals suffer!!!!!!
Re: WORLD FLEADH!!!: You Supply the Hole, We'll Get the Money to throw in it.
Ireland is certianly not alone in wasted public spending on major events. *cough*Grand Prix*cough*FINA swimming championships*cough*commonwealth games*cough*
Re: WORLD FLEADH!!!: You Supply the Hole, We'll Get the Money to throw in it.
It seems like, along with our common love of traditional music, we all must suffer from FOOLS inappropriately spending public funds.
Whatch that cough kjay, it sounds nasty
Re: WORLD FLEADH!!!: You Supply the Hole, We'll Get the Money to throw in it.
Session savage. I agree with the first post and your post too.
However, I do think Nizlopi have better claims that many of the other bands. The lads in that group come to Willie Week every year and play in sessions all night. The singer has a quite a few trad songs in his repertoire and the double bass player is one of the very few people who can, IMO, convincingly accompany trad. The dad, he of JCB driving fame, plays pipes, also sporatically on their album. They mightn't be the pinnacle of pure drop authenticity but would be well able to blend in with the WF even if had been a proper trad event as many trad events have slightly rockier bands. Even the Feakle fest has the fabulous Brendy Hearty Band.
It's irrelevant to the general point, but I had to stick up for the Nizlopis as I know them to be fun lads who respect "proper" traditional Irish music.
Re: WORLD FLEADH!!!: You Supply the Hole, We'll Get the Money to throw in it.
Just to think that the London Olympics logo cost £400,000 that could have been spent on a huge trad p*ss-up - makes you weep, doesn't it. Maybe the artist/designer or his boss will prove a true maverick and go to Ken Livingstone and say, "Look, it was only a couple of days' work, so I'll keep 10K and give you the rest on condition you organise the most humungous ITM p*ss-up the capital's ever seen"...but that sort of thing normally happens only in dreams or Dickens.
Re: WORLD FLEADH!!!: You Supply the Hole, We'll Get the Money to throw in it.
That London Olympics logo is truly horrible - here it is for those who haven't already been afflicted by its offensive appearance: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/olympics_2012/6718243.stm
I was going to post the link to the petition to get rid of it but the petition is now closed.
Re: WORLD FLEADH!!!: You Supply the Hole, We'll Get the Money to throw in it.
I'm sorry, but it must have taken a *lot* more than "a couple of days" to produce something that, as soon as it was launched, resulted in part of its own launch material having to be immediately withdrawn because it was dangerous to epileptics. Now, *that* sort of thing takes a lot of money, and real talent.
... and it's obvious, isn't it, that if you want to appeal to younger people ... well, you'd choose an up to the minute, happening show like Tiswas as the ispiration for your logo, wouldn't you?
Re: WORLD FLEADH!!!: You Supply the Hole, We'll Get the Money to throw in it.
Far be it from me to jump in on this thread, but let's not get lost in a medieval hatred of other people errrr ... Dow? We don't live in a world of discreet nations and pure races anymore. Look who designed the logo - look where they are from: look look look ... it's a multi-national effort, don't fall into the nonsense of believing all this patriotic nationalist tripe that the olympics represent. These are the designers .... (see below) probably there's someone involved from your village eh?!?!
About Wolff Olins
Wolff Olins is recognised as the most influential brand consultancy. Founded in 1965, the consultancy stands for entrepreneurial creativity and original ideas. Its work has a pivotal impact on business success and a transformational effect on markets.
Wolff Olins employs people in Europe, North America and Asia. We represent 24 nationalities and speak 17 languages.
For such clients as Athens 2004 Olympic Committee, Oi, E.ON, Orange, Suez, Tate and World Gold Council we have created brands that have become benchmarks for competitors and new paradigms in the industry.
Wolff Olins work is worldwide, the consultancy serves its clients from offices in London, Barcelona, New York and Tokyo.
Wolff Olins is part of the Omnicom Group.
Re: WORLD FLEADH!!!: You Supply the Hole, We'll Get the Money to throw in it.
pav, strangely enough, Wally Olins DOES live in my village...
I used to walk his dog for him when he was off doing useful things like rebranding Poland.
Re: WORLD FLEADH!!!: You Supply the Hole, We'll Get the Money to throw in it.
I just designed a logo for someone and they are whinging about me charging then £150 for the pleasure of doing so.
Someone remind me how much Wolff Olins liberated from the British Taxpayer for a semi-pornographic Rorschach blot ...
It's not fair, is it?
Re: WORLD FLEADH!!!: You Supply the Hole, We'll Get the Money to throw in it.
yeah, Manic I kind of guessed you were, but you know, just to put some context on the off topic topic ... it's all a crap rip off perpetrated by big business and multi nationals
they're turning the world into the sort of sh*te we'll all drown in.
harry's fleadh (well, not his, but the one he's on about) is yet only another example
Re: WORLD FLEADH!!!: You Supply the Hole, We'll Get the Money to throw in it.
haaaaaa .. yep, it's all yours now. I reckon you're some kind of reverse engineered reverse psychology agent sent by the alien wolf olins to sell us that fleadh by somehow making us think we hate it and then forcing us in our sleep to consent to gynaecological experiments that will make us reproduce large children who will attend said fleadh every year without fail. What is worse, is that our large children will also go to the big chill and will be totally unable to discern the difference. No, actually, they'd be too smart eh ....
Re: WORLD FLEADH!!!: You Supply the Hole, We'll Get the Money to throw in it.
i once recorded a shocking version of fisherman's island in someone's bedroom in galway with you and now the mastertape is up for sale on ebay for millions of eurodollarpoundfrancs. I write this from my antiguan residence, one purchased in anticipation of the wealth still to come, as i watch the sun set calmly in the ocean. Actually the World Fleadh have already approached me with regard to making said recording the theme tune (with posh s overdubbed in her celebrated inhuman beatbox mode) for the event. I'm holding out for more cash.
Re: WORLD FLEADH!!!: You Supply the Hole, We'll Get the Money to throw in it.
How's throwing 100 Million Euros down a hole - or how would you class this media stunt called G8 summit?
(Sorry for being political - mentally delete this post after having read it )
WORLD FLEADH!!!: You Supply the Hole, We'll Get the Money to throw in it.
WORLD FLEADH!!!: You Supply the Hole, We'll Get the Money to throw in it.
Oooppps, I've slipped and landed on my keyboard and by some freak occurance these words have been typed in, and I've copied Dave's message from the end of the corpse of the last thread on the subject. What a fluke! HB.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Re: the world fleadh portlaoise
To find out more about how the World Fleadh gets its funds read this page
http://archives.tcm.ie/laoisnationalist/2006/12/28/story24895.asp
It's well known that the World Fleadh got a lot more than €3500 from the Arts Council. In fact it got nearly €8000 for just one pre-launch event alone and then a huge amount for the main event. If you dispute this read through the link I pasted and you'll see it cost €1million to put on and had losses of €200,000. Failte Ireland gave €100,000 and local businesses gave €250,000, so where prey did the other €450,000 come from? The Arts Council of course, I remember clearly reading about this at the time so trying to deny this is simply propaganda.
I think the main reason people like Harry B and indeed myself would object to this gross misuse of public funds is that it went towards a huge commercial event with little or no value to the tradition it was supposed to be benefiting. This continues this year. If this festival is meant to be about promoting traditional Irish music then what the hell are the following headline acts there for?!!
Katie Melua , Deacon Blue , Lord of the Dance , The Proclaimers , Duke Special.
Now I've nothing against The Proclaimers, Katie Melua, Deacon Blue and Duke Special per se but none of them have much if anything to do with traditional Irish music or traditional music of any kind really do they? Let's face facts, these are pop/rock groups, it's fine if you want to have a festival with these acts as headliners but to call it Irelands answer to Celtic Connections or Tonder is a joke. Hell it's not even Ireland's answer to Womad, which would be something I'd be interested in. A festival of diverse music from around the world which mostly has roots in traditional music styles. At Womad the only Western pop/rock act you're likely to see is Peter Gabriel, which is fair enough because he organises the thing and he's actually very good at what he does!
The World Fleadh is hijacking the name of Irish music and then sweeping the geniune musicians under the carpet, replacing them with bland pop and Celtic Tiger trad . Aside from the odd group like Patrick Street, the only geniune trad musicians at this event are just giving masterclasses.
The only good thing I see about the World Fleadh this year is that it is on roughly the same time as the Feakle Festival, so it might draw the usual festival-wrecking p*ssheads to Portlaoise instead of Feakle!
So true lovers of trad come all ye to Feakle and let the trendy trad brigade descend upon Portlaoise and waste all their money on second rate trad and bland pop (sorry Duke Special to lump you in with this lot but I suppose you've only your booking agent to blame!)
Dave
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by frisbee
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by Harry B
Re: WORLD FLEADH!!!: You Supply the Hole, We'll Get the Money to throw in it.
Well said harry. I was thinking about this myself lately.
Then again we MUST be wrong Harry.... nizlopy's song about the JCB is the epitome of ITM...... isn't it??
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by session savage
Re: WORLD FLEADH!!!: You Supply the Hole, We'll Get the Money to throw in it.
And before anyone posts a reply telling me the literal translation of the word fleadh, well thats irrelivant. It has, over time become synonymous with traditional Irish music.
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by session savage
Re: WORLD FLEADH!!!: You Supply the Hole, We'll Get the Money to throw in it.
I have it from good authority that not all at the Arts Council funding committee wanted to fund the world fleadh. In fact I hear it was retrospective funding which is illegal. The groups had been booked and advertised before funding was granted I hear. In other words it would have gone ahead anyway irrespective of Arts Council funding. A certain flute player from Manchester saw his name on the promo poster for the World Fleadh while at Celtic Connections the January before the event and told me he didn't know anything about the event. And don't get me started on the rumours of the bounced checks some of the bigger bands had to deal with. Public funds should not be used for commercial extrvaganzas like this while the wee festivals suffer!!!!!!
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by iwerzon
Re: WORLD FLEADH!!!: You Supply the Hole, We'll Get the Money to throw in it.
Ireland is certianly not alone in wasted public spending on major events. *cough*Grand Prix*cough*FINA swimming championships*cough*commonwealth games*cough*
Wow, it seems I have quite a cough.
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by kjay_bc_box
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Cough? What about L o n d o n O l y m p i c s! They are even boggling their minds over it here in upside-down-land.
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by Linsey Doyle
Re: WORLD FLEADH!!!: You Supply the Hole, We'll Get the Money to throw in it.
It seems like, along with our common love of traditional music, we all must suffer from FOOLS inappropriately spending public funds.
Whatch that cough kjay, it sounds nasty
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by session savage
Re: WORLD FLEADH!!!: You Supply the Hole, We'll Get the Money to throw in it.
cough - sending people into space - cough...................
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by Rudall the time
Re: WORLD FLEADH!!!: You Supply the Hole, We'll Get the Money to throw in it.
Session savage. I agree with the first post and your post too.
However, I do think Nizlopi have better claims that many of the other bands. The lads in that group come to Willie Week every year and play in sessions all night. The singer has a quite a few trad songs in his repertoire and the double bass player is one of the very few people who can, IMO, convincingly accompany trad. The dad, he of JCB driving fame, plays pipes, also sporatically on their album. They mightn't be the pinnacle of pure drop authenticity but would be well able to blend in with the WF even if had been a proper trad event as many trad events have slightly rockier bands. Even the Feakle fest has the fabulous Brendy Hearty Band.
It's irrelevant to the general point, but I had to stick up for the Nizlopis as I know them to be fun lads who respect "proper" traditional Irish music.
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by SL*
Re: WORLD FLEADH!!!: You Supply the Hole, We'll Get the Money to throw in it.
Just to think that the London Olympics logo cost £400,000 that could have been spent on a huge trad p*ss-up - makes you weep, doesn't it. Maybe the artist/designer or his boss will prove a true maverick and go to Ken Livingstone and say, "Look, it was only a couple of days' work, so I'll keep 10K and give you the rest on condition you organise the most humungous ITM p*ss-up the capital's ever seen"...but that sort of thing normally happens only in dreams or Dickens.
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by nicholas
Re: WORLD FLEADH!!!: You Supply the Hole, We'll Get the Money to throw in it.
That London Olympics logo is truly horrible - here it is for those who haven't already been afflicted by its offensive appearance:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/olympics_2012/6718243.stm
I was going to post the link to the petition to get rid of it but the petition is now closed.
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by Rudall the time
Re: WORLD FLEADH!!!: You Supply the Hole, We'll Get the Money to throw in it.
Latest news on it:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6729611.stm
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by Rudall the time
Re: WORLD FLEADH!!!: You Supply the Hole, We'll Get the Money to throw in it.
I'm sorry, but it must have taken a *lot* more than "a couple of days" to produce something that, as soon as it was launched, resulted in part of its own launch material having to be immediately withdrawn because it was dangerous to epileptics. Now, *that* sort of thing takes a lot of money, and real talent.
... and it's obvious, isn't it, that if you want to appeal to younger people ... well, you'd choose an up to the minute, happening show like Tiswas as the ispiration for your logo, wouldn't you?
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by ethical blend
Re: WORLD FLEADH!!!: You Supply the Hole, We'll Get the Money to throw in it.
**snigger**
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by Rudall the time
Re: WORLD FLEADH!!!: You Supply the Hole, We'll Get the Money to throw in it.
Again, England becomes a laughing stock. Why can't Poms do anything right? Bloody useless. And they're crap at sport.
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by Dr. Dow
Re: WORLD FLEADH!!!: You Supply the Hole, We'll Get the Money to throw in it.
I just read somewhere that people are saying the logo looks like Lisa Simpson giving head. LOL.
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by Dr. Dow
Re: WORLD FLEADH!!!: You Supply the Hole, We'll Get the Money to throw in it.
yeah, the english are crap.
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by Rudall the time
Re: WORLD FLEADH!!!: You Supply the Hole, We'll Get the Money to throw in it.
I read it's like a broken up swastika
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by Rudall the time
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http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=105194
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by Ottery
Re: WORLD FLEADH!!!: You Supply the Hole, We'll Get the Money to throw in it.
Far be it from me to jump in on this thread, but let's not get lost in a medieval hatred of other people errrr ... Dow? We don't live in a world of discreet nations and pure races anymore. Look who designed the logo - look where they are from: look look look ... it's a multi-national effort, don't fall into the nonsense of believing all this patriotic nationalist tripe that the olympics represent. These are the designers .... (see below) probably there's someone involved from your village eh?!?!
About Wolff Olins
Wolff Olins is recognised as the most influential brand consultancy. Founded in 1965, the consultancy stands for entrepreneurial creativity and original ideas. Its work has a pivotal impact on business success and a transformational effect on markets.
Wolff Olins employs people in Europe, North America and Asia. We represent 24 nationalities and speak 17 languages.
For such clients as Athens 2004 Olympic Committee, Oi, E.ON, Orange, Suez, Tate and World Gold Council we have created brands that have become benchmarks for competitors and new paradigms in the industry.
Wolff Olins work is worldwide, the consultancy serves its clients from offices in London, Barcelona, New York and Tokyo.
Wolff Olins is part of the Omnicom Group.
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by pavlf
Re: WORLD FLEADH!!!: You Supply the Hole, We'll Get the Money to throw in it.
pav - dow IS english. And I was just agreeing with him because he is always right about everything. neither of us were being very serious.
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by Rudall the time
Re: WORLD FLEADH!!!: You Supply the Hole, We'll Get the Money to throw in it.
pav, strangely enough, Wally Olins DOES live in my village...
I used to walk his dog for him when he was off doing useful things like rebranding Poland.
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by Ottery
Re: goosestep in the bog
...broken up swastikas...rebranding poland(as in september 1 1939?)...
i'm not sure i like where this is heading...
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by biggus dave
Re: WORLD FLEADH!!!: You Supply the Hole, We'll Get the Money to throw in it.
I just designed a logo for someone and they are whinging about me charging then £150 for the pleasure of doing so.
Someone remind me how much Wolff Olins liberated from the British Taxpayer for a semi-pornographic Rorschach blot ...
It's not fair, is it?
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by Ottery
Re: WORLD FLEADH!!!: You Supply the Hole, We'll Get the Money to throw in it.
yeah, Manic I kind of guessed you were, but you know, just to put some context on the off topic topic ... it's all a crap rip off perpetrated by big business and multi nationals
they're turning the world into the sort of sh*te we'll all drown in.
harry's fleadh (well, not his, but the one he's on about) is yet only another example
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by pavlf
Re: WORLD FLEADH!!!: You Supply the Hole, We'll Get the Money to throw in it.
"harry's fleadh", Jaysus, I hope that doesn't stick.
Regards,
Harr.. erm, Roger... the Sheep.
# Posted on June 7th 2007 by Harry B
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haaaaaa .. yep, it's all yours now. I reckon you're some kind of reverse engineered reverse psychology agent sent by the alien wolf olins to sell us that fleadh by somehow making us think we hate it and then forcing us in our sleep to consent to gynaecological experiments that will make us reproduce large children who will attend said fleadh every year without fail. What is worse, is that our large children will also go to the big chill and will be totally unable to discern the difference. No, actually, they'd be too smart eh ....
# Posted on June 8th 2007 by pavlf
Re: WORLD FLEADH!!!: You Supply the Hole, We'll Get the Money to throw in it.
BAH, FOILED AGAIN!!!
Regards,
Fluteplayerbelfast.
# Posted on June 8th 2007 by Harry B
Re: WORLD FLEADH!!!: You Supply the Hole, We'll Get the Money to throw in it.
i once recorded a shocking version of fisherman's island in someone's bedroom in galway with you and now the mastertape is up for sale on ebay for millions of eurodollarpoundfrancs. I write this from my antiguan residence, one purchased in anticipation of the wealth still to come, as i watch the sun set calmly in the ocean. Actually the World Fleadh have already approached me with regard to making said recording the theme tune (with posh s overdubbed in her celebrated inhuman beatbox mode) for the event. I'm holding out for more cash.
# Posted on June 8th 2007 by pavlf
Re: WORLD FLEADH!!!: You Supply the Hole, We'll Get the Money to throw in it.
Those where the days, if only I could remember: Cider was the order of the times, or so I'm reminded.
Regards,
H.
# Posted on June 8th 2007 by Harry B
Re: WORLD FLEADH!!!: You Supply the Hole, We'll Get the Money to throw in it.
Cider it was "H" and you owe me about sixteen gazillion of them.
# Posted on June 8th 2007 by Patkiwi
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...and here's me giving out about questionable track records.
Regards,
H
# Posted on June 8th 2007 by Harry B
Re: WORLD FLEADH!!!: You Supply the Hole, We'll Get the Money to throw in it.
How's throwing 100 Million Euros down a hole - or how would you class this media stunt called G8 summit?
)
(Sorry for being political - mentally delete this post after having read it
# Posted on June 8th 2007 by kuec