Hey everyone, I just wanted to post a link to a purevolume I made for my new irish techno project. I basically just take cool tunes and make trance out of them. Only one track up right now, but i'm working on more. Let me know what you think!
Hello Asher, get ready to receive a lot of abuse for this. There will also be favorable comments, but I think you might want to paint on a Teflon coating anyway. I'll be honest with you... because I have no interest in techno music I have no basis to comment. It sounds like you put a lot of work into it, and it's fitting into the techno genre... I guess, but it's ITM for nightmares to me. As I listened I imagined that scene in Spinal Tap where they lowered the miniature Stonehenge onto the stage while dwarves danced around. Then I shook that image from my head and tried to imagine a hip young crowd of people on a dance floor sweating and pulsing to it while strobe lights flashed and swirling colored light spiraled around. (much better image) But since I have no actual experience going to raves and such -- I have no idea how it might go down at one. Good luck and I hope you and your fans have fun with it.
Not being a fan of techno, this is not really my thing. From the techno I have heard it sounds like most of it with Irish tunes instead of some random melody, which is probably what you were aiming for. I don't know what to tell you, I am sure someone will like it a lot. As PB said, you probably worked pretty hard on it. Good luck.
aaaam......aaaam....yeah.
Ok. first off, I really dont like techno or dance or any of that although if i'm honest i was a fan years ago, and i must admit i actually 'danced' up a tune myself once. I just seem to have copped on to the fact that its wrong.
I know how its done, and it does take a lot of effort so fair play to ya, but it really doesnt work and quite frankly its sacreligious.
It's about respect. Respect for the wealth (good word that, specifically implies what it's worth) of what's gone before. The best of the twentieth century innovations in this music put a very high value on the precedent and incorporate all this within their "avant garde"
Some may view the concept of the avent garde as an anathema to traditional art forms. But I believe it is crucial to their longevity. With the proviso, of course, that what has gone before is respected and incorporated, and not merely discarded as irrelevant, or worse, not learned in the first place through sheer laziness.
But what have we here? It could well possibly the most awful crime ever perpetrated on this music. It seems you've taken the reels at their most basic abc and merely programmed them into your sequencer. The sound you have has no more worth than the midi files you can download from the tune section here. You have no respect and deserve no respect in return. And to cap it all, you even seem to think it's never been done before.
It's very important you read all the responses you get on this site. Then ignore 99 per cent of them.
It's a pretty good first effort, and a nice pair of tunes to pick.
A couple of suggestions, hopefully constructive...
The beat is a little weak, and needs beefing up a bit. If you know a bodhran player who could lay down a beat for you I think it would work very well. Maybe even fade it in to accompany Tam Lin on the second repeat (rather than have the same backing the whole way through, which tends to sound a little monotonous).
Try experimenting with different lead instrument sounds; the tunes don't really stand out from the background all that well. How about double tracking a second lead playing the same tune on top of the first for the second repetition of the piece (e.g. play AABB on one instrument, then AABB again but on two instruments simultaneously). Check out the way the tune sounds on analogue as well as digital instruments.
Vary the volume a bit for selected phrases of the tune - at the moment it's very wallpapery since it's all at one level. Slow fade in and out in the middle of a tune can sound pretty 'trippy' if done sparingly.
As you can probably guess, I know nothing about trance. Also bear in mind the people on this site are fanatical about a type of music that has very limited (although extremely long lasting) appeal. There's a fair chance a trance album featuring this stuff would sell more copies than most 'successful' folk artists, so expect some of the stuff thrown at you to taste like grapes - sour ones.
Keep playing with your ideas and having fun; that's what music is all about. And remember; if it feels right to you, it is right, no matter what anyone else says.
1) If you really wanted to light a firecracker on this board, then you should have used actual samples. That way, you might have received a knock on the door. Does your yard have enough room for a mob?
2) I'm not a big fan of DJ music, techno or whatever branch of it this is, but it sounded very two dimensional.
I was once ribbing a DJ friend of mine about, well, being a DJ, and it got into some semi-serious talk about spinning records. Of course I knew nothing about it, and still don't, but he said while it was crucial to keep up the beat, it was just as important to remember that you don't want to kill the people on the dance floor. That was supposed to be where the "fun" came in. Funny part is, given what goes on in clubs, I don't think he was joking. For whatever it's worth, I thought I'd pass that on.
3) And while we're on the subject of traditional music and the avant garde, how does anyone feel about John Cage recording Seamus Ennis? He did, after all, consent to the project...
But has anyone actually given it a listen? It bored my socks right off my feet. But what was I expecting from the likes of John Cage? I don't fart art, I didn't "get it".
I had a listen and I think it's pretty cool. I don't think everyone starts listening to the "greats" of ITM and says wow, that stuff is for me. Sometimes we need to be drawn in by something a little more accessible and then we are tempted to find out where this comes from. I don't have a problem with the fact that if you can take this music somewhere, you are probably bringing it to a crowd who have never been interested in ITM before. You might make some of them want to hear more, more of your stuff and more of the origins of the melodies. I know that now everyone agrees and the preservation of the origins of our music is paramount, but nothing wrong with taking it in a new direction once in awhile, good on ya!
I'm not at all sure what "techno" is; I thought it was short for "technology", but it evidently isn't in this context. So. as the judge in court would ask, "what is techno"?
I think this is a very good first effort, and adding Irish melodies to techno can only improve techno because the techno I've heard is generally melodically very weak and unimaginative. The concept reminds me a litlle of what the Afro Celt Sound System does.
Bc box player had some excellent comments, and to that I would also say that you might want to make use of some other features of Irish music to add interest to what you're doing---it is kind of "wallpapery", so add some layers---some drones, perhaps, or the same melody line in a lower octave on a later repetition of the tune. It needs a little depth.
Good luck, and don't worry about any negative comments you see here. It's not like you're going to be stealing any business away from the real traditional performers!
I believe you know Irish music very well (unless there's another Asher Perkins out there), but that doesn't come across from this track. For me, the sequenced reels sound like the output of a synth arpeggiator, not too interesting. Maybe some samples of yourself playing box or concertina would liven things up.
I'm gonna go out on a limb here, and say I actually quite liked it. While all the reactionary "Oh my god, how could anyone ever do this!!!?!!!" is kinda fun, I think your main problem is that the tunes themselves are very lifeless, presumably as you fed them into a midi sequencer straight from sheet music / abc. Could a similar effect be achieved by using a lot of effects on a fiddle or something, which would mean you could get some phrasing (and musicality) into it? There might have been a few points where it went out of time too. In terms of arrangement, I think you've got the chance to use something more than just beats and effects, it'd benefit from a bit more creativity than it is at the moment, some large chords, a better bass line, drones, possibly beats played on the bodhran.
I'll be honest and say I didn't like the genre, with a bit more creativity in the arrangement and a less mechanical melody line it could sound quite good.
ya'll are all so mean! exept for a few o/you.... i think it's great! I mean, it's still not my style of music- im much more into Sean Smyth-Jerry Holland-Johnny Cunningham-Martin Hayes-Pat Mangan-Natalie-etc. but i think it's really interesting and could defanantly expose folks who would otherwise never hear it to celtic music....hopefully then they'll explore the more trad side of it which is what I really love....
I don't like this type of music really. I like the Prodigy and Radiohead type techno though.
Well, anyway, your idea is funny. Made me laugh a little but not my cup of tea. I think it's almost a desperate new idea but anyway, I don't think it's doing much harm. Though it does take the essense of soul out of the music alright so please don't apply to An Buachaill Caol Dubh or some other air!
As a fellow fusion artist (Trip Hop Irish English) who also plays traditional music, here's my take.
Nice "traditional" pace. Exhausting for club dancing.
I achieved an interesting effect on my first solo project by contrasting the acoustic and the electronic. This is probably more appropriate for my Trip-Hop blend than your Dance blend. But a shift in the lead voice between the tunes achieves a nice "color change" in the melody.
The harsh gripe about taking the midis from this site and sequencing them is somewhat appropos. Try changing up the melody each time through. It won't change the drive and will make things a bit more interesting.
Listen to the diversity of arrangements with Martynn Bennett and Afro Celt. Break it down once in a while, creating a better spearation between tunes.
I'd have been well served by this advice on my first solo project.
Drop me a note if you want to check out my tracks.
I tried again and still couldn't find the right words.
All right then, I'll have to settle for these:
I usually defend neo-traditional or Celtic rock or world fusion type efforts, because they might lead more people to eventually appreciate the, well, "soul" of Irish music. I'm talking about the Ray Charles, Aretha Franklin, Michael Coleman, "Paddy in the Smoke" kind of soul here.
But computer-generated sound effects have no soul.
I only associate it with lots of teenagers taking E, jumping up and down to a relentless beat, sucking on light-up pacifiers and contemplating their hands or a glo-stick.
However, I must admit hearing a familiar ITM melody laid over the beat did bring a smile to my face, especially the Tam Lin part of the tune (I happen to like that tune).
But, I agree with mickray, it's got no soul. But, then again, no techno music does as far as I've ever heard....
For an example of a way to put at least a little soul into a techno-trad track, listen to the Mountain Road Remix on the Glengarry Bhoy's Mountain Road CD....
Its great, the trouble is that its too ahead of its time to be taken as underground or pop mainstreem, however people said the same about horselips when they fused spinal tap style heavy rock with fiddles and whistles. When do you ever hear horselips biggest hit on the radio ?
However I think you should make a heap of it copyright it and archive it in a vault for your ancestors to release in the year 2050 that way they wont have to sell ecstacy to make some quick hard cash. Just send a load of the c.d.s out to pirate radio stations and keep your ears peeled. Some times these things have to be discovered somewhere uncool first before they are deemed cool. Remember where you heard it first as they say ?
Techno is cool, sleek and unhuman, glitteringly perfect, with all the juiceless, impersonal beauty of a fractal. Aurally it’s just about the polar opposite from acoustic Irish trad. An interesting exercise to try and pull them together.
I guess you need to figure out if you want to mechanize the trad or humanize the techno. You’ve achieved the first for sure.
The genres do have a few things in common: a communal aspect, the fact that they’re both dance music, and that both cultures have a tradition of ingesting mood enhancers.
I agree with the comments about tempo – slow it down a little. Also, it lacks weight – put more bottom in the beat.
Overall, I thought it was fun.
And if you really want to trance out, do up The Butterfly.
Good on ya, Asher !
It´s not bad at all. Keep at it and it´ll improve, and I speak as a player of what´s known as pure drop !
Although it´s not my cuppa tea and I couldn´t listen to a lot of it, it´s better than a lot of the stuff that calls itself "New Age" or "Celtic", and if young people enjoy it and dance to it, what´s wrong with that !
Don´t be put off by the comments about drug taking. Many traditional musicians ruined their lives by pouring alcohol into themselves, but there´s plenty more that didn´t.
Well I personally can't stand Techno music. Having said that I am not going to talk about sacrilege or it being a crime done to the music. That is just nonsense. The problem seems to be that it is just techno music done fairly poorly. I am not saying it was easy to do this, just that it could have been done better. There has been plenty of good advise here about improving it. It needs to be given more levels to it. Unlike gravelwalks I think you should have used samples of actual instruments playing the tune. Perhaps that would have stopped it being trance - I don't know but just putting it to trad tunes does not make it a cross-over project. It has to have something that resembles the original style in some way. Capercaillie "tranced" a few of their tracks on the album "Capercaillie". It is a far cry from techno but it is more of a combination of different styles. I am with Michael when he likens it to the bad abc midi tracks you get - it has no soul.
By all means keep the project up but try to make the music more interesting and varied - and do take the bpm down a bit - if you can and still leave it classed as techno. I know there are some specifications about speed for it to fit the genre.
It sounded robotic and mechanical to me, but I think that means it is an OK representative of the techno genre. Like many on this website, I can't even pretend to understand what techno is.
My son was making fun of me this weekend for not knowing what a gesture called "metal horns" was....
On the positive side, I don't consider it a threat to "music as we know it" or the fate of civilized society........
Well Asher, good luck at keeping up with the posts. You got lots of support, keep it up. KC Gross, I want to hear those tracks you talked about, where do I fnd them?
For other ignoramuses out there like me there is a fairly comprehensive essay on Techno Music in Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Techno_music
Not that I'm any the wiser!
Wow! fantastic stuff. I can just see all the mindless robots dancing away. What? This is meant for humans? You must be joking!!! Maybe have some humans playing might improve things. Some nice ideas in the arraingements but without the human touch it's just boring, and pointless. Computers can play notes but they can't play music. They are really useful as a compositional tool, but should really only be used between consenting adults in the privacy of their own home. And, as the old musicians union slogan used to say "Keep Music Live"!!!!
Techno...Hmmmm..
Sometimes late at night in my studio (wood shop) I for fun listen to pop radio. I wonder if any of these artist have ever even heard traditional anything.. Its the roots ... How can you have a pop hit with 3 chords..? Didn't the Ramones do that years ago... Are these kids so easy to be entertained by nothing..
Asher, don't feel you have to tie yourself down to the AABB form of trad. I think if you want to mix tunes into trance then it's best to use a suitable snippet or motif rather than the whole tune. I would recommend that you take something like the A-part of Sweeney's or the A-part of Tam Lin, and use only those bits and omit the rest of the tune.
Developing the theme from Noxious who is sounding awfully reasonable: why even use a whole A Part. Why not just take phrases and repeat them.
Seriously this is hardly the right place to get positive constructive feedback on techno music even if it were derived from some ITM melody in the first place. The Trad community is hardly going to be your target market so why not go onto a Techno forum and ask them what they think.
LOL. Actually I'm a total snob when it comes to techno/trance. I only like the really evil-sounding old school acid stuff from the late 80s and early 90s. I think that all the new far-too-happy euphoric stuff is totally disrespectful to the trance tradition. It's the product of a generation that's gone overboard with the party drugs and disappeared so far up its own arse that it can no longer distinguish between a cheap trick and a good tune. A bit like some circles in the Irish traditional music scene, come to think of it.
I imagine sometime in the far future when a movement to preserve "traditional" techno has sprung up, and there are websites where old greybeards argue what is and isn't true techno, and bemoan the demise of the good old "pure drop" techno.......
I liked it, it made me laugh. Yes, a bit mechanical. Prob better to use samples like Afro Celt and experiment with different drum 'n' bass accompaniments. The keyboard just doesn't bring the warmth and rhythmic nuances that an acoustic instrument playing the melody would. Needs beefing up a bit in the bass and drum sections, its dance music after all. I do like techno so I'm saying go further. If you're going to do this type of thing then go as far as you can but make it groovy.
Oh my god! Asher... make more. Let your creative spirits soar. And yes, there is club sub-culture to consider and I feel this has the groove... seriously. I'm thinking... big bass and huge volume would give it the third dimension a lot of the complainers are thinking is lacking. Anyways, forget the cave yeti's who are stuck in a closed minded "You can't do this to trad" bull-sh__ state of mind. "The Music".... " er... "THE (pause) MUSIC!" as they like to call it has survived through more historical crisis than most of the pure-drop-trad-head-mumbo-jumbo-types can even fathom in their own blinder-eyed self important pub-session existance. If not for the wonderful arrogance of youth!!! And I certainly would take youthfull arrogance over dogmatic self righteous indignation so often found spilling from pure-droppers who dislike the dots etc etc etc... blah blah blah. I love your vision and would love to see more Irish and scottish tunes formulated into techno for the clubs... The tunes lend themselves to it... they were made from and for the human spirit and what's better than hearing them in a club... LOUD... where people can dance and play? I'd much rather that than get fat, slopping back Guiness, complaining about punters and pub owners who do or don't pay a self righteous attitude about something so simple as music. Long live the those who push the envelope and shed new light on old ideas.
I'm probably wasting my time, but I have to try.... even though I'm not all that qualified to argue the case... because I think some people are missing the point.
Traditional music concert: Players--sometimes only two of them, with little wooden instruments-- who have spent decades learning music that has stood the test of time perform live for people who listen closely and appreciate their efforts. It's a meeting of the minds.
Techno "concert": Some guy pushes a button, and a computer spews out sound effects. People dance around, each in his or her own self-absorbed fantasy. Mindless. Take away the megawatt sound system and light show, and the "music" doesn't amount to a mosquito fart.
A hundred years from now, Irish trad will still be played and enjoyed (of course--plenty of session tunes are 100 years old, right now).
Do you really think that *anybody* will listen to techno, in a hundred years?
I used to know a drum & bass DJ who has since become very famous and has produced a few albums. I've seen what he does and there's a lot of thought goes into it. The production of good electronic music takes lots of skill, excellent timing for mixing stuff in and out and overlapping layers of tunes, and a feel for how to bring a crowd up and down. This takes years of practice to learn how to do well, and a bit of natural ability doesn't go amiss either. Man has been fascinated by "mindless", minimalist rhythm for thousands of years. Also what about tribes in Africa dancing and singing to the rhythm of a single frenetic drum rhythm? It can be really powerful if you're in the right mood for it. And it doesn't have to feed the "self-absorbed fantasy" of an individual. Yeah, okay it's totally different from going to a session, but going out to a club with friends can be excellent fun too, and a really good bonding experience. To dismiss it all as "mindless" just shows that you know nothing about the music and have probably never been to a decent nightclub in your life. You should open your mind and try it sometime - you might surprise yourself and find you quite like it.
You're right, I don't know much about music. It's just that I spent years trying to find that essential "something" in loud electric music, and then discovered that the same excitement was available without all the loud booms and flashing lights--in corny old Irish trad music.
Mickray, I didn't say you don't know much about music in general! But you're right - the same excitement *is* available elsewhere. That's why I always go to sessions and never go to nightclubs. Problem is, I find that for me, going to sessions is a lot less healthy than clubbing because I tend to binge drink Guinness at sessions, and since I'm not burning off those calories by dancing...
I must be dreaming... I could swear I just read a post where the artist formerly known as Dow was defending and touting electronic techno music. I hope I wake up soon.
Blanket, we're probably not that far apart. Kind of been there, done that (in the 70s, 80s, and 90s, anyway). And if you think about it, the term "Trance" could have been invented for those endless repetitions of The Mountain Road....
But now that I'm an old man, I save the beer (a pale ale suits me better, to be honest--I wish I could get Guinness Bitter in this country!) for after the diddly music. Can't even begin to handle it, with slow, fumbly fingers! ;>}
It seems to me here that the pros have missed the antis' central argument. There is nothing wrong in wanting to develop any kind of music in any kind of way imaginable. I am a fierce defender of the avant garde. I am not the cave yeti tulloch describes, so fair play to you asher for having a go. It's just that it's rubbish that's all.
Ok... button's thinks it's funny, you're entitled to your nervous paranoia. It is funny! What is funny to me is how so many would rather berate than embrace. I'm personally in love with pure drop... personally I could listen to the wonder of Violin and Cello heck, even solo Guitar or Bodhran ad nausium and never, ever, get bored. Pure = absolutely wonderous! And I'm not *for* *all* brands of techno, including some poorly done fusion of it with irish/scottish music. But my facetious rant above is a manifestation of frustration over how so many people discourage contemporary expression in the name of protecting something that, in fact, does a good job of protecting itself. It seems to me that many folks would rather take conteporary expression as an afront, or disrespect, to "the music". Overall interest and addition to the body of work, would be better served if the stegasaurs would learn to encourage instead of nervously pushing people, young people, down.
Now tulloch, if I think anything is “funny” it's watching characters like MG and the artist formerly known as Dow going at it over these sorts of things. I admitted my ignorance regarding techno/trance music in my first response to this thread, and I was honest about my impression. But I did nothing to discourage the person who started this thread. As a matter of fact I believe what I said could really only be taken as encouragement. But to characterize my words as "nervous paranoia” actually says more about your reading comprehension than it does about me.
LOL! Michael... you came out of the cave-yeti closet when you admitted how much better your playing got when you tried out a more 'classical' style bow grip *GASP!* And with all due respect some tunes do sound better when played with fiddle on knee... so down with all those contemporary types who started playing them up on their shoulders. I really do feel it makes them sound like rubbish. Hahahahaha.... anyways... all in good fun.
Thanks to everyone for taking the time to comment.
I would just like to say that I like techno, I think it's a fun and exciting kind of music. However, Irish music is my true passion. I have been playing for most of my life, I respect it, and I wholeheartedly believe in keeping the tradition alive.
The reason I did this project was not because I was trying to create an awesome new genre of music, or even because I thought anybody would want to listen to it at all... I just did it because I thought it would be fun. I posted it on this website in the hopes that people would be amused by it as well. I'm sorry if I offended anyone, that was not my intention.
Thanks to everyone who gave me advice and suggestions, I really appreciate it.
Oh, Jeez. Come across the sea and take a listen to Michael Gray's album "Nine Blasted Notes", or anything by Gordon Duncan. Bagpipers used to be afraid to listen to anything new, too. But now it's ok to experiment, as long as it's done well by musicians well-grounded 'inside the box' first. Look at the National Piping Centre website.
Traditional irish techno.
Traditional irish techno.
Hey everyone, I just wanted to post a link to a purevolume I made for my new irish techno project. I basically just take cool tunes and make trance out of them. Only one track up right now, but i'm working on more. Let me know what you think!
http://www.purevolume.com/asherperkins
# Posted on October 3rd 2006 by Asher
Re: Traditional irish techno.
Hello Asher, get ready to receive a lot of abuse for this. There will also be favorable comments, but I think you might want to paint on a Teflon coating anyway. I'll be honest with you... because I have no interest in techno music I have no basis to comment. It sounds like you put a lot of work into it, and it's fitting into the techno genre... I guess, but it's ITM for nightmares to me. As I listened I imagined that scene in Spinal Tap where they lowered the miniature Stonehenge onto the stage while dwarves danced around. Then I shook that image from my head and tried to imagine a hip young crowd of people on a dance floor sweating and pulsing to it while strobe lights flashed and swirling colored light spiraled around. (much better image) But since I have no actual experience going to raves and such -- I have no idea how it might go down at one. Good luck and I hope you and your fans have fun with it.
# Posted on October 3rd 2006 by Phantom Button
Re: Traditional irish techno.
I have tried to write a suitable comment, honest I have, but words fail me. I just don't know where to begin.
# Posted on October 3rd 2006 by John Galt
Re: Traditional irish techno.
Not being a fan of techno, this is not really my thing. From the techno I have heard it sounds like most of it with Irish tunes instead of some random melody, which is probably what you were aiming for. I don't know what to tell you, I am sure someone will like it a lot. As PB said, you probably worked pretty hard on it. Good luck.
# Posted on October 3rd 2006 by Why Bother?
Re: Traditional irish techno.
HAHAHAHAHA !
# Posted on October 3rd 2006 by Henk Bos
Re: Traditional irish techno.
I'm afraid this kind of thing makes my teeth itch.
Though I imagine it would go down a blast in a Gaeltacht teen disco.
# Posted on October 3rd 2006 by RockyRoader
Re: Traditional irish techno.
aaaam......aaaam....yeah.
Ok. first off, I really dont like techno or dance or any of that although if i'm honest i was a fan years ago, and i must admit i actually 'danced' up a tune myself once. I just seem to have copped on to the fact that its wrong.
I know how its done, and it does take a lot of effort so fair play to ya, but it really doesnt work and quite frankly its sacreligious.
Basically.. well done... dont do it again
# Posted on October 3rd 2006 by session savage
Re: Traditional irish techno.
It's about respect. Respect for the wealth (good word that, specifically implies what it's worth) of what's gone before. The best of the twentieth century innovations in this music put a very high value on the precedent and incorporate all this within their "avant garde"
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=avant-garde
Some may view the concept of the avent garde as an anathema to traditional art forms. But I believe it is crucial to their longevity. With the proviso, of course, that what has gone before is respected and incorporated, and not merely discarded as irrelevant, or worse, not learned in the first place through sheer laziness.
But what have we here? It could well possibly the most awful crime ever perpetrated on this music. It seems you've taken the reels at their most basic abc and merely programmed them into your sequencer. The sound you have has no more worth than the midi files you can download from the tune section here. You have no respect and deserve no respect in return. And to cap it all, you even seem to think it's never been done before.
# Posted on October 3rd 2006 by llig leahcim
Re: Traditional irish techno.
Hi Asher,
It's very important you read all the responses you get on this site. Then ignore 99 per cent of them.
It's a pretty good first effort, and a nice pair of tunes to pick.
A couple of suggestions, hopefully constructive...
The beat is a little weak, and needs beefing up a bit. If you know a bodhran player who could lay down a beat for you I think it would work very well. Maybe even fade it in to accompany Tam Lin on the second repeat (rather than have the same backing the whole way through, which tends to sound a little monotonous).
Try experimenting with different lead instrument sounds; the tunes don't really stand out from the background all that well. How about double tracking a second lead playing the same tune on top of the first for the second repetition of the piece (e.g. play AABB on one instrument, then AABB again but on two instruments simultaneously). Check out the way the tune sounds on analogue as well as digital instruments.
Vary the volume a bit for selected phrases of the tune - at the moment it's very wallpapery since it's all at one level. Slow fade in and out in the middle of a tune can sound pretty 'trippy' if done sparingly.
As you can probably guess, I know nothing about trance. Also bear in mind the people on this site are fanatical about a type of music that has very limited (although extremely long lasting) appeal. There's a fair chance a trance album featuring this stuff would sell more copies than most 'successful' folk artists, so expect some of the stuff thrown at you to taste like grapes - sour ones.
Keep playing with your ideas and having fun; that's what music is all about. And remember; if it feels right to you, it is right, no matter what anyone else says.
Eno
# Posted on October 3rd 2006 by bc_box_player
Re: Traditional irish techno.
OK, well..
1) If you really wanted to light a firecracker on this board, then you should have used actual samples. That way, you might have received a knock on the door. Does your yard have enough room for a mob?
2) I'm not a big fan of DJ music, techno or whatever branch of it this is, but it sounded very two dimensional.
I was once ribbing a DJ friend of mine about, well, being a DJ, and it got into some semi-serious talk about spinning records. Of course I knew nothing about it, and still don't, but he said while it was crucial to keep up the beat, it was just as important to remember that you don't want to kill the people on the dance floor. That was supposed to be where the "fun" came in. Funny part is, given what goes on in clubs, I don't think he was joking. For whatever it's worth, I thought I'd pass that on.
3) And while we're on the subject of traditional music and the avant garde, how does anyone feel about John Cage recording Seamus Ennis? He did, after all, consent to the project...
# Posted on October 3rd 2006 by gravelwalks
Re: Traditional irish techno.
I didn't mean to come off as callous...
And listen to all of what Eno said -- can't go wrong with that
# Posted on October 3rd 2006 by gravelwalks
Re: Traditional irish techno.
tee hee, bc_box_player thought it was, "a little monotonous". ho ho
Though, I think I'd like to hear this, looks interesting?
http://www.themodernword.com/joyce/music/cage_roaratorio.html
# Posted on October 3rd 2006 by llig leahcim
Re: Traditional irish techno.
...and that's just what I was gettin' at.
But has anyone actually given it a listen? It bored my socks right off my feet. But what was I expecting from the likes of John Cage? I don't fart art, I didn't "get it".
# Posted on October 3rd 2006 by gravelwalks
Re: Traditional irish techno.
Hey Asher,
I had a listen and I think it's pretty cool. I don't think everyone starts listening to the "greats" of ITM and says wow, that stuff is for me. Sometimes we need to be drawn in by something a little more accessible and then we are tempted to find out where this comes from. I don't have a problem with the fact that if you can take this music somewhere, you are probably bringing it to a crowd who have never been interested in ITM before. You might make some of them want to hear more, more of your stuff and more of the origins of the melodies. I know that now everyone agrees and the preservation of the origins of our music is paramount, but nothing wrong with taking it in a new direction once in awhile, good on ya!
# Posted on October 3rd 2006 by anastasiadesroches
Re: Traditional irish techno.
Fair play,reckon you shouldn't use someones compostition though..
# Posted on October 3rd 2006 by t byrne
Re: Traditional irish techno.
I'm not at all sure what "techno" is; I thought it was short for "technology", but it evidently isn't in this context. So. as the judge in court would ask, "what is techno"?
# Posted on October 3rd 2006 by Trevor Jennings
Re: Traditional irish techno.
Hi Asher,
I think this is a very good first effort, and adding Irish melodies to techno can only improve techno because the techno I've heard is generally melodically very weak and unimaginative. The concept reminds me a litlle of what the Afro Celt Sound System does.
Bc box player had some excellent comments, and to that I would also say that you might want to make use of some other features of Irish music to add interest to what you're doing---it is kind of "wallpapery", so add some layers---some drones, perhaps, or the same melody line in a lower octave on a later repetition of the tune. It needs a little depth.
Good luck, and don't worry about any negative comments you see here. It's not like you're going to be stealing any business away from the real traditional performers!
# Posted on October 3rd 2006 by kennedy
Re: Traditional irish techno.
Tam Lin...in techno...I weep!
# Posted on October 3rd 2006 by Crysania
Re: Traditional irish techno.
Asher,
I believe you know Irish music very well (unless there's another Asher Perkins out there), but that doesn't come across from this track. For me, the sequenced reels sound like the output of a synth arpeggiator, not too interesting. Maybe some samples of yourself playing box or concertina would liven things up.
# Posted on October 3rd 2006 by tedium
Re: Traditional irish techno.
Quantize, quantize, quantize
# Posted on October 3rd 2006 by Patkiwi
Re: Traditional irish techno.
yes..very...um....interesting...very....um....nice. Why???
and to quote Squiresfan "dont do it again"
# Posted on October 3rd 2006 by Michaelalan
Re: Traditional irish techno.
If ITM means Irish Traditional Music, what will be the acronym for Traditional Irish Techno..... ?
# Posted on October 3rd 2006 by murfbox
Re: Traditional irish techno.
I'm gonna go out on a limb here, and say I actually quite liked it. While all the reactionary "Oh my god, how could anyone ever do this!!!?!!!" is kinda fun, I think your main problem is that the tunes themselves are very lifeless, presumably as you fed them into a midi sequencer straight from sheet music / abc. Could a similar effect be achieved by using a lot of effects on a fiddle or something, which would mean you could get some phrasing (and musicality) into it? There might have been a few points where it went out of time too. In terms of arrangement, I think you've got the chance to use something more than just beats and effects, it'd benefit from a bit more creativity than it is at the moment, some large chords, a better bass line, drones, possibly beats played on the bodhran.
I'll be honest and say I didn't like the genre, with a bit more creativity in the arrangement and a less mechanical melody line it could sound quite good.
# Posted on October 3rd 2006 by Andy V
Re: Traditional irish techno.
ya'll are all so mean! exept for a few o/you.... i think it's great! I mean, it's still not my style of music- im much more into Sean Smyth-Jerry Holland-Johnny Cunningham-Martin Hayes-Pat Mangan-Natalie-etc. but i think it's really interesting and could defanantly expose folks who would otherwise never hear it to celtic music....hopefully then they'll explore the more trad side of it which is what I really love....
# Posted on October 3rd 2006 by BE
Re: Traditional irish techno.
I don't like this type of music really. I like the Prodigy and Radiohead type techno though.
Well, anyway, your idea is funny. Made me laugh a little but not my cup of tea. I think it's almost a desperate new idea but anyway, I don't think it's doing much harm. Though it does take the essense of soul out of the music alright so please don't apply to An Buachaill Caol Dubh or some other air!
# Posted on October 3rd 2006 by 52Paddy
Re: Traditional irish techno.
As a fellow fusion artist (Trip Hop Irish English) who also plays traditional music, here's my take.
Nice "traditional" pace. Exhausting for club dancing.
I achieved an interesting effect on my first solo project by contrasting the acoustic and the electronic. This is probably more appropriate for my Trip-Hop blend than your Dance blend. But a shift in the lead voice between the tunes achieves a nice "color change" in the melody.
The harsh gripe about taking the midis from this site and sequencing them is somewhat appropos. Try changing up the melody each time through. It won't change the drive and will make things a bit more interesting.
Listen to the diversity of arrangements with Martynn Bennett and Afro Celt. Break it down once in a while, creating a better spearation between tunes.
I'd have been well served by this advice on my first solo project.
Drop me a note if you want to check out my tracks.
# Posted on October 3rd 2006 by KC Gross
Re: Traditional irish techno.
I tried again and still couldn't find the right words.
All right then, I'll have to settle for these:
I usually defend neo-traditional or Celtic rock or world fusion type efforts, because they might lead more people to eventually appreciate the, well, "soul" of Irish music. I'm talking about the Ray Charles, Aretha Franklin, Michael Coleman, "Paddy in the Smoke" kind of soul here.
But computer-generated sound effects have no soul.
# Posted on October 3rd 2006 by John Galt
Re: Traditional irish techno.
First off, I don't like techno.
I only associate it with lots of teenagers taking E, jumping up and down to a relentless beat, sucking on light-up pacifiers and contemplating their hands or a glo-stick.
However, I must admit hearing a familiar ITM melody laid over the beat did bring a smile to my face, especially the Tam Lin part of the tune (I happen to like that tune).
But, I agree with mickray, it's got no soul. But, then again, no techno music does as far as I've ever heard....
# Posted on October 3rd 2006 by KeepFiddlin'
Re: Traditional irish techno.
For an example of a way to put at least a little soul into a techno-trad track, listen to the Mountain Road Remix on the Glengarry Bhoy's Mountain Road CD....
# Posted on October 3rd 2006 by KeepFiddlin'
Re: Traditional irish techno.
Interesting, Asher. Yeah, it lacks some depth, but you may go somewhere with it. You would definitely kill, the dancers, though.
This is an old fogey comment: Hey, it sort of reminds me of "Switched On Bach"!
I think I might prefer it to Grateful Dead/Celtic fusion. At least it knows what it is....
# Posted on October 3rd 2006 by Michele Sims
Re: Traditional irish techno.
Its great, the trouble is that its too ahead of its time to be taken as underground or pop mainstreem, however people said the same about horselips when they fused spinal tap style heavy rock with fiddles and whistles. When do you ever hear horselips biggest hit on the radio ?
However I think you should make a heap of it copyright it and archive it in a vault for your ancestors to release in the year 2050 that way they wont have to sell ecstacy to make some quick hard cash. Just send a load of the c.d.s out to pirate radio stations and keep your ears peeled. Some times these things have to be discovered somewhere uncool first before they are deemed cool. Remember where you heard it first as they say ?
# Posted on October 3rd 2006 by Ripthecalico
Re: Traditional irish techno.
Techno is cool, sleek and unhuman, glitteringly perfect, with all the juiceless, impersonal beauty of a fractal. Aurally it’s just about the polar opposite from acoustic Irish trad. An interesting exercise to try and pull them together.
I guess you need to figure out if you want to mechanize the trad or humanize the techno. You’ve achieved the first for sure.
The genres do have a few things in common: a communal aspect, the fact that they’re both dance music, and that both cultures have a tradition of ingesting mood enhancers.
I agree with the comments about tempo – slow it down a little. Also, it lacks weight – put more bottom in the beat.
Overall, I thought it was fun.
And if you really want to trance out, do up The Butterfly.
# Posted on October 3rd 2006 by fidkid
Re: Traditional irish techno.
Good on ya, Asher !
It´s not bad at all. Keep at it and it´ll improve, and I speak as a player of what´s known as pure drop !
Although it´s not my cuppa tea and I couldn´t listen to a lot of it, it´s better than a lot of the stuff that calls itself "New Age" or "Celtic", and if young people enjoy it and dance to it, what´s wrong with that !
Don´t be put off by the comments about drug taking. Many traditional musicians ruined their lives by pouring alcohol into themselves, but there´s plenty more that didn´t.
# Posted on October 3rd 2006 by murfbox
Re: Traditional irish techno.
Well I personally can't stand Techno music. Having said that I am not going to talk about sacrilege or it being a crime done to the music. That is just nonsense. The problem seems to be that it is just techno music done fairly poorly. I am not saying it was easy to do this, just that it could have been done better. There has been plenty of good advise here about improving it. It needs to be given more levels to it. Unlike gravelwalks I think you should have used samples of actual instruments playing the tune. Perhaps that would have stopped it being trance - I don't know but just putting it to trad tunes does not make it a cross-over project. It has to have something that resembles the original style in some way. Capercaillie "tranced" a few of their tracks on the album "Capercaillie". It is a far cry from techno but it is more of a combination of different styles. I am with Michael when he likens it to the bad abc midi tracks you get - it has no soul.
By all means keep the project up but try to make the music more interesting and varied - and do take the bpm down a bit - if you can and still leave it classed as techno. I know there are some specifications about speed for it to fit the genre.
Good luck
# Posted on October 3rd 2006 by No Cause For Alarm
Re: Traditional irish techno.
It sounded robotic and mechanical to me, but I think that means it is an OK representative of the techno genre. Like many on this website, I can't even pretend to understand what techno is.
My son was making fun of me this weekend for not knowing what a gesture called "metal horns" was....
On the positive side, I don't consider it a threat to "music as we know it" or the fate of civilized society........
# Posted on October 3rd 2006 by AlBrown
Re: Traditional irish techno.
Well Asher, good luck at keeping up with the posts. You got lots of support, keep it up. KC Gross, I want to hear those tracks you talked about, where do I fnd them?
# Posted on October 3rd 2006 by anastasiadesroches
Re:Traditional Irish techno
For other ignoramuses out there like me there is a fairly comprehensive essay on Techno Music in Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Techno_music
Not that I'm any the wiser!
# Posted on October 3rd 2006 by Trevor Jennings
Re: Traditional irish techno.
Wow! fantastic stuff. I can just see all the mindless robots dancing away. What? This is meant for humans? You must be joking!!! Maybe have some humans playing might improve things. Some nice ideas in the arraingements but without the human touch it's just boring, and pointless. Computers can play notes but they can't play music. They are really useful as a compositional tool, but should really only be used between consenting adults in the privacy of their own home. And, as the old musicians union slogan used to say "Keep Music Live"!!!!
# Posted on October 4th 2006 by woops
Re: Traditional irish techno.
Techno...Hmmmm..
Sometimes late at night in my studio (wood shop) I for fun listen to pop radio. I wonder if any of these artist have ever even heard traditional anything.. Its the roots ... How can you have a pop hit with 3 chords..? Didn't the Ramones do that years ago... Are these kids so easy to be entertained by nothing..
# Posted on October 4th 2006 by lamh trom
Re: Traditional irish techno.
Asher, don't feel you have to tie yourself down to the AABB form of trad. I think if you want to mix tunes into trance then it's best to use a suitable snippet or motif rather than the whole tune. I would recommend that you take something like the A-part of Sweeney's or the A-part of Tam Lin, and use only those bits and omit the rest of the tune.
# Posted on October 4th 2006 by Dr. Dow
Re: Traditional irish techno.
Um, I'm sure it's very nice, but, er, perhaps those people down the street might like it. No, no, I don't really want to try the frozen shrimp either.
# Posted on October 4th 2006 by oldstrings
Re: Traditional irish techno.
But thank you for calling.
# Posted on October 4th 2006 by oldstrings
Re: Traditional irish techno.
Developing the theme from Noxious who is sounding awfully reasonable: why even use a whole A Part. Why not just take phrases and repeat them.
Seriously this is hardly the right place to get positive constructive feedback on techno music even if it were derived from some ITM melody in the first place. The Trad community is hardly going to be your target market so why not go onto a Techno forum and ask them what they think.
# Posted on October 4th 2006 by Donough
Re: Traditional irish techno.
Mark (NB formerly known as Dow)... exposed as a techno trance head.
# Posted on October 4th 2006 by Phantom Button
Re: Traditional irish techno.
LOL. Actually I'm a total snob when it comes to techno/trance. I only like the really evil-sounding old school acid stuff from the late 80s and early 90s. I think that all the new far-too-happy euphoric stuff is totally disrespectful to the trance tradition. It's the product of a generation that's gone overboard with the party drugs and disappeared so far up its own arse that it can no longer distinguish between a cheap trick and a good tune. A bit like some circles in the Irish traditional music scene, come to think of it.
# Posted on October 4th 2006 by Dr. Dow
Re: Traditional irish techno.
I imagine sometime in the far future when a movement to preserve "traditional" techno has sprung up, and there are websites where old greybeards argue what is and isn't true techno, and bemoan the demise of the good old "pure drop" techno.......
# Posted on October 4th 2006 by AlBrown
Re: Traditional irish techno.
I liked it, it made me laugh. Yes, a bit mechanical. Prob better to use samples like Afro Celt and experiment with different drum 'n' bass accompaniments. The keyboard just doesn't bring the warmth and rhythmic nuances that an acoustic instrument playing the melody would. Needs beefing up a bit in the bass and drum sections, its dance music after all. I do like techno so I'm saying go further. If you're going to do this type of thing then go as far as you can but make it groovy.
# Posted on October 4th 2006 by Fiddlebabe
Re: Traditional irish techno.
Al... they won't be arguing on websites... by then the greybeards willl be meeting face to face in online holodecks.
# Posted on October 4th 2006 by Phantom Button
Re: Traditional irish techno.
Oh my god! Asher... make more. Let your creative spirits soar. And yes, there is club sub-culture to consider and I feel this has the groove... seriously. I'm thinking... big bass and huge volume would give it the third dimension a lot of the complainers are thinking is lacking. Anyways, forget the cave yeti's who are stuck in a closed minded "You can't do this to trad" bull-sh__ state of mind. "The Music".... " er... "THE (pause) MUSIC!" as they like to call it has survived through more historical crisis than most of the pure-drop-trad-head-mumbo-jumbo-types can even fathom in their own blinder-eyed self important pub-session existance. If not for the wonderful arrogance of youth!!! And I certainly would take youthfull arrogance over dogmatic self righteous indignation so often found spilling from pure-droppers who dislike the dots etc etc etc... blah blah blah. I love your vision and would love to see more Irish and scottish tunes formulated into techno for the clubs... The tunes lend themselves to it... they were made from and for the human spirit and what's better than hearing them in a club... LOUD... where people can dance and play? I'd much rather that than get fat, slopping back Guiness, complaining about punters and pub owners who do or don't pay a self righteous attitude about something so simple as music. Long live the those who push the envelope and shed new light on old ideas.
# Posted on October 5th 2006 by tulloch
Hahahahaha... hilarious!
# Posted on October 5th 2006 by Phantom Button
Re: Traditional irish techno.
I'm probably wasting my time, but I have to try.... even though I'm not all that qualified to argue the case... because I think some people are missing the point.
Traditional music concert: Players--sometimes only two of them, with little wooden instruments-- who have spent decades learning music that has stood the test of time perform live for people who listen closely and appreciate their efforts. It's a meeting of the minds.
Techno "concert": Some guy pushes a button, and a computer spews out sound effects. People dance around, each in his or her own self-absorbed fantasy. Mindless. Take away the megawatt sound system and light show, and the "music" doesn't amount to a mosquito fart.
A hundred years from now, Irish trad will still be played and enjoyed (of course--plenty of session tunes are 100 years old, right now).
Do you really think that *anybody* will listen to techno, in a hundred years?
# Posted on October 5th 2006 by John Galt
Re: Traditional irish techno.
I used to know a drum & bass DJ who has since become very famous and has produced a few albums. I've seen what he does and there's a lot of thought goes into it. The production of good electronic music takes lots of skill, excellent timing for mixing stuff in and out and overlapping layers of tunes, and a feel for how to bring a crowd up and down. This takes years of practice to learn how to do well, and a bit of natural ability doesn't go amiss either. Man has been fascinated by "mindless", minimalist rhythm for thousands of years. Also what about tribes in Africa dancing and singing to the rhythm of a single frenetic drum rhythm? It can be really powerful if you're in the right mood for it. And it doesn't have to feed the "self-absorbed fantasy" of an individual. Yeah, okay it's totally different from going to a session, but going out to a club with friends can be excellent fun too, and a really good bonding experience. To dismiss it all as "mindless" just shows that you know nothing about the music and have probably never been to a decent nightclub in your life. You should open your mind and try it sometime - you might surprise yourself and find you quite like it.
# Posted on October 5th 2006 by Dr. Dow
Re: Traditional irish techno.
Blanket--
You're right, I don't know much about music. It's just that I spent years trying to find that essential "something" in loud electric music, and then discovered that the same excitement was available without all the loud booms and flashing lights--in corny old Irish trad music.
There's no fanatic like a convert, as they say.
# Posted on October 5th 2006 by John Galt
Re: Traditional irish techno.
Mickray, I didn't say you don't know much about music in general! But you're right - the same excitement *is* available elsewhere. That's why I always go to sessions and never go to nightclubs. Problem is, I find that for me, going to sessions is a lot less healthy than clubbing because I tend to binge drink Guinness at sessions, and since I'm not burning off those calories by dancing...
# Posted on October 5th 2006 by Dr. Dow
Re: Traditional irish techno.
I must be dreaming... I could swear I just read a post where the artist formerly known as Dow was defending and touting electronic techno music.
I hope I wake up soon.
# Posted on October 5th 2006 by Phantom Button
Re: Traditional irish techno.
Blanket, we're probably not that far apart. Kind of been there, done that (in the 70s, 80s, and 90s, anyway). And if you think about it, the term "Trance" could have been invented for those endless repetitions of The Mountain Road....
But now that I'm an old man, I save the beer (a pale ale suits me better, to be honest--I wish I could get Guinness Bitter in this country!) for after the diddly music. Can't even begin to handle it, with slow, fumbly fingers! ;>}
# Posted on October 5th 2006 by John Galt
Re: Traditional irish techno.
It seems to me here that the pros have missed the antis' central argument. There is nothing wrong in wanting to develop any kind of music in any kind of way imaginable. I am a fierce defender of the avant garde. I am not the cave yeti tulloch describes, so fair play to you asher for having a go. It's just that it's rubbish that's all.
# Posted on October 5th 2006 by llig leahcim
Re: Traditional irish techno.
Sorry, did I say it wasn't rubbish?
Michael you're back to your mean old self. How comforting. You've been far too nice of late and it was starting to worry me...
# Posted on October 5th 2006 by Dr. Dow
Re: Traditional irish techno.
Ok... button's thinks it's funny, you're entitled to your nervous paranoia. It is funny! What is funny to me is how so many would rather berate than embrace. I'm personally in love with pure drop... personally I could listen to the wonder of Violin and Cello heck, even solo Guitar or Bodhran ad nausium and never, ever, get bored. Pure = absolutely wonderous! And I'm not *for* *all* brands of techno, including some poorly done fusion of it with irish/scottish music. But my facetious rant above is a manifestation of frustration over how so many people discourage contemporary expression in the name of protecting something that, in fact, does a good job of protecting itself. It seems to me that many folks would rather take conteporary expression as an afront, or disrespect, to "the music". Overall interest and addition to the body of work, would be better served if the stegasaurs would learn to encourage instead of nervously pushing people, young people, down.
# Posted on October 5th 2006 by tulloch
Re: Traditional irish techno.
Now tulloch, if I think anything is “funny” it's watching characters like MG and the artist formerly known as Dow going at it over these sorts of things. I admitted my ignorance regarding techno/trance music in my first response to this thread, and I was honest about my impression. But I did nothing to discourage the person who started this thread. As a matter of fact I believe what I said could really only be taken as encouragement. But to characterize my words as "nervous paranoia” actually says more about your reading comprehension than it does about me.
# Posted on October 5th 2006 by Phantom Button
Re: Traditional irish techno.
LOL! Michael... you came out of the cave-yeti closet when you admitted how much better your playing got when you tried out a more 'classical' style bow grip *GASP!* And with all due respect some tunes do sound better when played with fiddle on knee... so down with all those contemporary types who started playing them up on their shoulders. I really do feel it makes them sound like rubbish. Hahahahaha.... anyways... all in good fun.
# Posted on October 5th 2006 by tulloch
Re: Traditional irish techno.
Sorry Buttons,
I had forgotten... was thinking you were laughing at me... my paranoia instead.. LOL.
# Posted on October 5th 2006 by tulloch
Re: Traditional irish techno.
That's ok, tulloch... everyone thinks I'm nervous and paranoid... everyone! Or they seem to anyway... no... THEY DO!!!
# Posted on October 5th 2006 by Phantom Button
Re: Traditional irish techno.
Thanks to everyone for taking the time to comment.
I would just like to say that I like techno, I think it's a fun and exciting kind of music. However, Irish music is my true passion. I have been playing for most of my life, I respect it, and I wholeheartedly believe in keeping the tradition alive.
The reason I did this project was not because I was trying to create an awesome new genre of music, or even because I thought anybody would want to listen to it at all... I just did it because I thought it would be fun. I posted it on this website in the hopes that people would be amused by it as well. I'm sorry if I offended anyone, that was not my intention.
Thanks to everyone who gave me advice and suggestions, I really appreciate it.
# Posted on October 5th 2006 by Asher
Re: Traditional irish techno.
easy to make .. export ABC to midi, import into program, throw some filter sweeps over the melody, and some cheezy 4/4 beats in the background.
would take less than 10 minutes to create ..
# Posted on October 5th 2006 by replicant
Re: Traditional irish techno.
I think ther's an apostrophe missing from your name replicant... or is it the letter 'u'?
# Posted on October 6th 2006 by tulloch
Re: Traditional irish techno.
Oh, Jeez. Come across the sea and take a listen to Michael Gray's album "Nine Blasted Notes", or anything by Gordon Duncan. Bagpipers used to be afraid to listen to anything new, too. But now it's ok to experiment, as long as it's done well by musicians well-grounded 'inside the box' first. Look at the National Piping Centre website.
# Posted on October 6th 2006 by gmacg
Re: Traditional irish techno.
We have a word for this in California:
"Celtic"
# Posted on October 8th 2006 by Meri-pixie
Re: Traditional irish techno.
Sorry. I forgot a word: tiresome.
# Posted on October 8th 2006 by Meri-pixie
Re: Traditional irish techno.
haha, this really did suck...
# Posted on October 11th 2008 by Asher