hi
How you concertina players do to make good rolls?
The only way which works corectly is when I make the same note with 2 fingers very fast as Nial Vallely does.
What are the others ways to do it?
thanks
let me know if you're interested in more, because ic an track down an old file floating around the internet where someone describes in detail everything about concertina ornamentation.
It's best to demonstrate concertina ornamentation in person. I've been corresponding with a fellow in France who emailed me and asked about it. I tried my best to describe it, and he reports some success, but it's impossible to know if he's getting it without hearing him in person and being able to watch what he's doing.
about this fascinating "button that isn't there"......by this, one assumes you mean the.....Phantom Button, n'est-ce pas?
so would this be a group of three: note, note-on-different-finger, followed last by a short space for the BTIT, which the ear of the listener fills in? or does the space for the BTIT come in the middle, between the two fingered ones?
and more metaphysically, if a BTIT sounds when there is no one there, has there been an ornament?
phantom - thats true. but i bet i could do it with some text and an mp3 recording.
laure - tell me the fingering layout you use. i cant tell you what to do because notes would be missing because you probably use a different layout than i do myself. give me a list of your D and G scales, saying, "D pull, E push" etc. then i'll give you a description of a good way to get started. i will then recording myself doing it at different speeds (including example speeds and how i would practice them speed and then full speed). respond here and / or email me.
there's no reason to start off with cranns, but i can start you with the thing that concertina players often use in the place of rolls. once you get your timing on this, you can work on cranns.
The secret of the 'phantom button' is that when you're holding down the button with one finger you get another note by striking the opposite side of the concertina where there are no buttons..
the scale I use is for the G scale:
g push, a pull, b pull,c push, D pull, E push (but it depends on the tune I do it,, I also do on the left side E pull), F pull, G push.
and for the D scale:
d pull, e push, f pull, g push, a pull, b push, c push, D push. but it depends on tune.
Is that ok?
Thanks
on the English concertina ,fiddle rolls are easy.Your cutting notes are on the opposite side of the box.
a d roll is dedcd,d is in the left,c and e are on the right.
if youtake the notes a and g on the 30 keyangloyoucan play abaga[a proper fiddleroll]all in thesame direction.likewise a g roll gagf#g.
Dick Miles ,English player
concertina ornementation
concertina ornementation
hi
How you concertina players do to make good rolls?
The only way which works corectly is when I make the same note with 2 fingers very fast as Nial Vallely does.
What are the others ways to do it?
thanks
# Posted on August 26th 2006 by laure
Re: concertina ornAmentation
Tongue and pickle are rather tasty.
# Posted on August 26th 2006 by geoffwright
Re: concertina ornementation
2 fingers on the same button + the button that isn't there is how I do it.
# Posted on August 26th 2006 by Phantom Button
Re: concertina ornementation
link time!
we've been talking about this on concertina.net:
http://www.concertina.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=4429
http://www.concertina.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=4512
let me know if you're interested in more, because ic an track down an old file floating around the internet where someone describes in detail everything about concertina ornamentation.
# Posted on August 27th 2006 by daiv
Re: concertina ornementation
It's best to demonstrate concertina ornamentation in person. I've been corresponding with a fellow in France who emailed me and asked about it. I tried my best to describe it, and he reports some success, but it's impossible to know if he's getting it without hearing him in person and being able to watch what he's doing.
# Posted on August 27th 2006 by Phantom Button
Re: concertina ornementation
about this fascinating "button that isn't there"......by this, one assumes you mean the.....Phantom Button, n'est-ce pas?
so would this be a group of three: note, note-on-different-finger, followed last by a short space for the BTIT, which the ear of the listener fills in? or does the space for the BTIT come in the middle, between the two fingered ones?
and more metaphysically, if a BTIT sounds when there is no one there, has there been an ornament?
# Posted on August 28th 2006 by ceemonster
Re: concertina ornementation
.....or, does the BTIT come first, followed by the two fingered ones?
i love the BTIT already....
# Posted on August 28th 2006 by ceemonster
Re: concertina ornementation
phantom - thats true. but i bet i could do it with some text and an mp3 recording.
laure - tell me the fingering layout you use. i cant tell you what to do because notes would be missing because you probably use a different layout than i do myself. give me a list of your D and G scales, saying, "D pull, E push" etc. then i'll give you a description of a good way to get started. i will then recording myself doing it at different speeds (including example speeds and how i would practice them speed and then full speed). respond here and / or email me.
there's no reason to start off with cranns, but i can start you with the thing that concertina players often use in the place of rolls. once you get your timing on this, you can work on cranns.
# Posted on August 28th 2006 by daiv
Re: concertina ornementation
The secret of the 'phantom button' is that when you're holding down the button with one finger you get another note by striking the opposite side of the concertina where there are no buttons..
# Posted on August 28th 2006 by Phantom Button
Re: concertina ornementation
the scale I use is for the G scale:
g push, a pull, b pull,c push, D pull, E push (but it depends on the tune I do it,, I also do on the left side E pull), F pull, G push.
and for the D scale:
d pull, e push, f pull, g push, a pull, b push, c push, D push. but it depends on tune.
Is that ok?
Thanks
# Posted on August 28th 2006 by laure
Re: concertina ornementation
on the English concertina ,fiddle rolls are easy.Your cutting notes are on the opposite side of the box.
a d roll is dedcd,d is in the left,c and e are on the right.
# Posted on October 29th 2007 by Dick Miles
Re: concertina ornementation
if youtake the notes a and g on the 30 keyangloyoucan play abaga[a proper fiddleroll]all in thesame direction.likewise a g roll gagf#g.
Dick Miles ,English player
# Posted on October 29th 2007 by Dick Miles